Betafield 4: Game of Next Year Edition

Since 5761 Days

Posted by BLackHawkodst

It's a shame as DICE is also tarnished due to the rushed broken game they were forced to put out.

DICE should be tarnished they put out a broken mess of a game end off! EA get called out and rightly so, but so should the devs.

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

How to AEK: http://youtu.be/doM8uK5SA44

This video is really good, even if you don't want to use the AEK. Even if you're familiar with BF3. Xfactor covers a lot of the more subtle changes in the gunplay, which could help your game.

A couple of personal notes about attachments: I disagree with the suppressor suggestion for the most part. It will increase your TTK at long range. I don't know why xfactor doesn't use the flash suppressor. He suggested that it has penalties, but I don't see them on Symthic.com or in the game. Symthic is a great resource if you're interested in the nuances of each weapon and how the attachments work. Use the angled/folding (same) grip if you want to counter the first shot recoil multiplier without penalties. Use the regular/ergo grip if you can't stop yourself from strafing while you fire your weapon. Generally speaking, you should be stopping and shooting anyway. The ergo is maybe more suitable for closer range weapons and low ROF/recoil weapons. Lower your mouse sensitivity and make fewer adjustments with your feet and more with your mouse when possible.

LevelCap thinks you should use the compensator or muzzle break in combination with the stubby/potato grip. I am more with Xfactor on this one. Stay away from pointless penalties. Learn to counter recoil.

Some of his old BF3 stuff is still relevant if you're uncertain about settings and stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blw3DwzIQIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjCChK5-e8U

BF4 Settings. Note that you can tweak this stuff to your liking. I use a totally different blend of settings and a different FOV. But there's sound advice found in here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm-cD5pECe4

And he has a ton of videos on how to use other weapons in BF4. Learn2play.

As thought provoking as this conversation is... reposting some actual, useful information for the new page. The SLI patch is out too.. notes:

Dec 20 PC Game Update Notes
-Fix for terrain flickering when using SLI/CrossFire setup
-Fix for three of the top crash issues on the PC platform
-Fix for case when soldier can die with 1 HP instead of 0
-Fix for the issue where the revive UI could be permanently shown after accepting a revive

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[quote=GriftGFX]How to AEK: http://youtu.be/doM8uK5SA44

This video is really good, even if you don't want to use the AEK. Even if you're familiar with BF3. Xfactor covers a lot of the more subtle changes in the gunplay, which could help your game.

A couple of personal notes about attachments: I disagree with the suppressor suggestion for the most part. It will increase your TTK at long range. I don't know why xfactor doesn't use the flash suppressor. He suggested that it has penalties, but I don't see them on Symthic.com or in the game. Symthic is a great resource if you're interested in the nuances of each weapon and how the attachments work. Use the angled/folding (same) grip if you want to counter the first shot recoil multiplier without penalties. Use the regular/ergo grip if you can't stop yourself from strafing while you fire your weapon. Generally speaking, you should be stopping and shooting anyway. The ergo is maybe more suitable for closer range weapons and low ROF/recoil weapons. Lower your mouse sensitivity and make fewer adjustments with your feet and more with your mouse when possible.

LevelCap thinks you should use the compensator or muzzle break in combination with the stubby/potato grip. I am more with Xfactor on this one. Stay away from pointless penalties. Learn to counter recoil.

Some of his old BF3 stuff is still relevant if you're uncertain about settings and stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blw3DwzIQIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjCChK5-e8U

BF4 Settings. Note that you can tweak this stuff to your liking. I use a totally different blend of settings and a different FOV. But there's sound advice found in here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm-cD5pECe4

And he has a ton of videos on how to use other weapons in BF4. Learn2play.[/quote]

As thought provoking as this conversation is... reposting some actual, useful information for the new page. The SLI patch is out too.. notes:

Dec 20 PC Game Update Notes 
-Fix for terrain flickering when using SLI/CrossFire setup 
-Fix for three of the top crash issues on the PC platform 
-Fix for case when soldier can die with 1 HP instead of 0 
-Fix for the issue where the revive UI could be permanently shown after accepting a revive

BLackHawkodst

Since 6123 Days

True.

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Prepare To Drop!!

GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

I can confirm that SLI works again and the game is running as smoothly as ever. Maybe they should just stop patching it now.

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asdfg

Since 6070 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I can confirm that SLI works again and the game is running as smoothly as ever. Maybe they should just stop patching it now.

Battlefield 4 system requirements: Grift's computer :)

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

I think we're at least approaching a release candidate here. The game feels really great today. Apart from my shit aim.

It just feels.. smooth. For the first time.. maybe ever? I can't quantify that either. I'm still getting similar performance.

My AEK accuracy though.. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?

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asdfg

Since 6070 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I think we're at least approaching a release candidate here. The game feels really great today. Apart from my shit aim.

It just feels.. smooth. For the first time.. maybe ever? I can't quantify that either. I'm still getting similar performance.

My AEK accuracy though.. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?

Will not be able to try it out, away from my gaming rig for a week. :(

I'm keeping myself entertained with FTL.

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6738 Days

Played for the first time yesterday, on PS 4 though. It ran well enough. Being used to choppy 30 fps on Xbox 360 this was a whole different experience.

The first game was a lot of fun. Played some Shanghai and pulled off some crazy Batman stuff, flanking squads from behind. Controls feel tighter now, but that could just be the 60 fps experience. My aim, new recoil mechanics and the new controller in general gave me a lot of headaches, but luckily BF isn't just about that. But really I have doubts weapons like the AEK and ACE are viable on consoles at all. It took me a lot of hours to perfect my aim with the M16 and AEK in BF3 (although noobs will claim it was easy). In BF4 I don't see myself doing that. I guess the weapons are meant to be like that, but when there is no snowballs chance in hell a console player could ever dream of controlling the SCAR-H, why bother putting the weapon into the game? They should have made it a bit easier on the console players.

There are also some design choices I couldn't wrap my head around. On the one hand this game can be very fast due to increased squad size, map design, impact grenades et all, especially if you are on some of the most contested flags. On the other hand DICE decided to reduce the amount of mobility you can realistically utilize by making hipfire useless and adding initial ADS spread. This just makes for some very frustrating moments and it's just not very fun for someone who has good situational awareness and the muscle memory to mop a squad in tight situations.

What really pissed me off, was the fact that DICE didn't bother to let me adjust my vehicle controls the way I like them. Default settings play like Halo and that is good until you want to pull off some advanced maneuvering shit. "Veteran" settings aren't like the old ones at all and unplayable for me. Also the server lag was ridiculous at times. Not being able to see the ping right away is a fucking joke.

All in all, I liked the game way more that I thought I would. Although, and that could be the new community on the PS4, the noob sniping is just too stronk. Well and the unlocks just piss me off in general. Being so weak at the start, especially as the engineer, is a chore. I mean that weak ass noob launcher and PDW, why o why?

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Played for the first time yesterday, on PS 4 though. It ran well enough. Being used to choppy 30 fps on Xbox 360 this was a whole different experience.

The first game was a lot of fun. Played some Shanghai and pulled off some crazy Batman stuff, flanking squads from behind. Controls feel tighter now, but that could just be the 60 fps experience. My aim, new recoil mechanics and the new controller in general gave me a lot of headaches, but luckily BF isn't just about that. But really I have doubts weapons like the AEK and ACE are viable on consoles at all. It took me a lot of hours to perfect my aim with the M16 and AEK in BF3 (although noobs will claim it was easy). In BF4 I don't see myself doing that. I guess the weapons are meant to be like that, but when there is no snowballs chance in hell a console player could ever dream of controlling the SCAR-H, why bother putting the weapon into the game? They should have made it a bit easier on the console players.

There are also some design choices I couldn't wrap my head around. On the one hand this game can be very fast due to increased squad size, map design, impact grenades et all, especially if you are on some of the most contested flags. On the other hand DICE decided to reduce the amount of mobility you can realistically utilize by making hipfire useless and adding initial ADS spread. This just makes for some very frustrating moments and it's just not very fun for someone who has good situational awareness and the muscle memory to mop a squad in tight situations.

What really pissed me off, was the fact that DICE didn't bother to let me adjust my vehicle controls the way I like them. Default settings play like Halo and that is good until you want to pull off some advanced maneuvering shit. "Veteran" settings aren't like the old ones at all and unplayable for me. Also the server lag was ridiculous at times. Not being able to see the ping right away is a fucking joke.

All in all, I liked the game way more that I thought I would. Although, and that could be the new community on the PS4, the noob sniping is just too stronk. Well and the unlocks just piss me off in general. Being so weak at the start, especially as the engineer, is a chore. I mean that weak ass noob launcher and PDW, why o why?

GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

Posted by Viginti_Tres

It took me a lot of hours to perfect my aim with the M16 and AEK in BF3 (although noobs will claim it was easy).

On the PC too. And well, they're not hard on the PC, but it's the same story. Noobs complain about the gun being OP, but have a < 10% accuracy with it.

Scrubs. Everywhere.

The AEK benefits greatly from the angled grip in BF4. Most high kick weapons do.

Posted by Viginti_Tres

There are also some design choices I couldn't wrap my head around. On the one hand this game can be very fast due to increased squad size, map design, impact grenades et all, especially if you are on some of the most contested flags. On the other hand DICE decided to reduce the amount of mobility you can realistically utilize by making hipfire useless and adding initial ADS spread. This just makes for some very frustrating moments and it's just not very fun for someone who has good situational awareness and the muscle memory to mop a squad in tight situations.

There is indeed a very strange duality to the design in this game. They appear to push things in a more "arcade" direction, while simultaneously pulling some things in the opposite direction.

The changes to the gunplay mechanics are a little funky. The initial ADS spread fights against my BF3 experience.

Oh.. and server lag isn't always dependent on your ping. If you're experiencing constant rubber banding, that server is as good as dead until it's rebooted. This was a problem in Battlefield 3 and I suspect it will always be a problem in Frostbite Battlefield games. Because reasons.

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[quote=Viginti_Tres]It took me a lot of hours to perfect my aim with the M16 and AEK in BF3 (although noobs will claim it was easy).[/quote]

On the PC too. And well, they're not [i]hard[/i] on the PC, but it's the same story. Noobs complain about the gun being OP, but have a < 10% accuracy with it.

Scrubs. Everywhere.

The AEK benefits greatly from the angled grip in BF4. Most high kick weapons do.

[quote=Viginti_Tres]There are also some design choices I couldn't wrap my head around. On the one hand this game can be very fast due to increased squad size, map design, impact grenades et all, especially if you are on some of the most contested flags. On the other hand DICE decided to reduce the amount of mobility you can realistically utilize by making hipfire useless and adding initial ADS spread. This just makes for some very frustrating moments and it's just not very fun for someone who has good situational awareness and the muscle memory to mop a squad in tight situations.[/quote]

There is indeed a very strange duality to the design in this game. They appear to push things in a more "arcade" direction, while simultaneously pulling some things in the opposite direction.

The changes to the gunplay mechanics are a little funky. The initial ADS spread fights against my BF3 experience.

Oh.. and server lag isn't always dependent on your ping. If you're experiencing constant rubber banding, that server is as good as dead until it's rebooted. This was a problem in Battlefield 3 and I suspect it will always be a problem in Frostbite Battlefield games. Because reasons.

homererotica

Since 6342 Days

I am dissapointed in the ps4 console so far, I have played 3 games killzone, bf4 and ac4, all are 'ok'. But after playing bf4 on pc in ultra and then playing the ps4 version which to me looks like its around low/medium quality, is dissapointing, maybe my expectations are to high, yes the textures are around the same but there are so many effects missing, its a couple of layers away from the pc version in any quality. The other 2 games killzone at 'times' looks great, at others its no better than ps3 with better resolution, ac4 is great resolution but again the effects are missing water quality shadow quality ect, hopefully this will improve in time or I will stick to pc and jsut by ps4 exclusive as I did on ps3, just was expecting BETTER on ps4.

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Phaethon360

Since 7082 Days

Why would you ever expect console games to look better than on PC? You're already playing BF4 on Ultra, what did you expect? Yes, just buy the console exclusives. It's going to be exactly the same as the last 15 years...

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

Hey.. don't you lecture him! You might as well be playing with a gamepad.. playing with a MS Wireless Desktop ;P

I know. Change is bad. Any advice I've given you is simply trying to help. Resist it if you must. We have a word for that, but I won't throw it around.

<3

I think he was expecting the PS4 version to look better than it does, not to look better than the Windows version.

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

I had a really great night in BF4 tonight, after a relatively rough Friday. I credit the ACE 23. What a gun. Maybe I just needed a little AEK break.

I also filled my shit bucket. Rank 110. Ranking is much faster than BF3.

This game is working very well for me after the last patch. I'm actually pretty impressed by how smoothly things are working. I'm almost scared of the next patch.

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homererotica

Since 6342 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Hey.. don't you lecture him! You might as well be playing with a gamepad.. playing with a MS Wireless Desktop ;P

I know. Change is bad. Any advice I've given you is simply trying to help. Resist it if you must. We have a word for that, but I won't throw it around.

<3

I think he was expecting the PS4 version to look better than it does, not to look better than the Windows version.

Yeah wasnt expecting the ps4 version to be as good as pc in ultra, but the reviews were saying its comparable to pc in high which clearly isnt the case, anyway as public enemy said dont believe the hype.

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

Pistol only locker conquest: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/servers/show/...

Phaethon and I will be pwning noobs.

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

I'm truly enjoying this game now that it works. It's maybe both the best and worst game I've played this year.

If it's still "fixed" until January, it's one of my games of the year for sure ;)

The ACE 52 CQB is my new go-to Engi gun.

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Phaethon360

Since 7082 Days

What the hell is the G18's problem? Why are you even a gun? You don't hit shit, and your clip is a premature ejaculation. Go away gun.

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asdfg

Since 6070 Days

Could be new SSD or the patches but played 4-5 rounds of cq without a single crash. :D

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asdfg

Since 6070 Days

And for the real test, a whole round of Siege of Shanghai without a crash. Dat map man! And i havent even tinkered with downclocking, playing the 32 bit-version etc. It just works!

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

Release Candidatefield 4?

Posted by Phaethon360

What the hell is the G18's problem? Why are you even a gun? You don't hit shit, and your clip is a premature ejaculation. Go away gun.

Yeah.. the G18 is harder than it needs to be. You will probably enjoy the 93R when you get it.

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asdfg

Since 6070 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Release Candidatefield 4?

Yes, beta access was a bit too expensive for my taste though. :)

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rayy

Since 7210 Days

I'm been enjoying the ACE 23 lately. With only the scope and not attachment I'm getting better aim than all other weapons.

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GriftGFX

Since 7236 Days

I use it a lot. It's quite good. I run the same attachments on it as the AEK (angled grip, flash hider), but you could probably rock the vertical grip on it if you can't stop dancing.

The ACE 52 CQB is becoming a go-to Engi gun too.

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rayy

Since 7210 Days

I'm using it with only the angle grip because it doesn't add any penalty and I was aiming quite well with it with out the need of attachment, but somehow I'm not aiming as good as I was with out the angle grip, so I might go back to no attachment.

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asdfg

Since 6070 Days

Just had some true bf moments shooting down a little bird and a jet with rpg. :)

It feels like my steering sensitivity change when i change the vehicle sens, shouldn't this setting be for aiming only?

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