Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7444 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Exactly, I agree. MGS definately looks sharper and I like that very much. I think the metal gear solid games have always had the same sort of feel artistically and MGS4 is no different like I said.
*High five*!!!?
:D
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CockKnocker
CockKnocker
Since 7522 Days
wow did someone actually say Splinter Cell DA looks better than this? wow. How bout watch the video of the MGS4 presentation? I mean theres opinions, but theres also the technical aspect and Im 200% sure that MGS4 uses far more advanced gfx technology than Splinter Cell DA, or even Conviction.
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 7437 Days
Posted by CockKnocker
wow did someone actually say Splinter Cell DA looks better than this? wow. How bout watch the video of the MGS4 presentation? I mean theres opinions, but theres also the technical aspect and Im 200% sure that MGS4 uses far more advanced gfx technology than Splinter Cell DA, or even Conviction.
SC DA i agree, Conviction i dont.
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gmulis - blames poor<br>marketing
gmulis
Since 7365 Days
the game looks great


too much bitching over small things, what happened to appriciating a game for what it is

at the end of the day its sells that count, and we know which will surpasse the other
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mess with the best die the like rest

dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 7437 Days
Posted by gmulis
the game looks great


too much bitching over small things, what happened to appriciating a game for what it is

at the end of the day its sells that count, and we know which will surpasse the other
The game will be great, but its not sales that count, good sales dose not make it great game.
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Halle Berry: Delgado i am feeling really reall dirty tonight, shall i call Jessica Simpson for a threesome?

Delgado: HALLE what have i told you about bothering me when i'm playing Mass Effect!!! now get out and dont come back for 2 months!! (Slams door

CockKnocker
CockKnocker
Since 7522 Days
Posted by dcdelgado
SC DA i agree, Conviction i dont.
ok maybe it doesnt look better than that screenshot of Conviction, but u cant actually believe that this is in-game:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/...

They always "enhance" the gfx of the screenshots on Splinter Cell games (or at least the last one they did) And theres a trailer of the game also, it doesn't look as detailed as in that pic.
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 7183 Days
That isnt that hard to believe. Looks in game to me. In my opinion the trailer looks just as good as that.
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 7437 Days
Posted by CockKnocker
ok maybe it doesnt look better than that screenshot of Conviction, but u cant actually believe that this is in-game:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/...

They always "enhance" the gfx of the screenshots on Splinter Cell games (or at least the last one they did) And theres a trailer of the game also, it doesn't look as detailed as in that pic.
Again i have to disagree, if anyone can make a jaw dropping looking game UBI can, lets wait to see what the next in-game vid looks like.
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Halle Berry: Delgado i am feeling really reall dirty tonight, shall i call Jessica Simpson for a threesome?

Delgado: HALLE what have i told you about bothering me when i'm playing Mass Effect!!! now get out and dont come back for 2 months!! (Slams door

JediMasterMalik
Since 7313 Days
That looks perfectly plausible to me, though not as good as MGS4. ;)
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gmulis - blames poor<br>marketing
gmulis
Since 7365 Days
Posted by dcdelgado
The game will be great, but its not sales that count, good sales dose not make it great game.
is that so, can we say Halo3 won't be a great game because it will sell millions of copies

great sells are an indication of a great game (90% of the time)

if a game doesn't sell then that bad luck
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mess with the best die the like rest

TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 7183 Days
Yes, but certain great games go straight under the radar and dont sell as well as they should. Take ICO and Shadow of the Colossus. Two oustanding games which are now basically out of production.
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 7321 Days
Splinter cell DA most definately looks better than this, this is really underwhelming.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 7699 Days
Posted by Jin187
Splinter cell DA most definately looks better than this, this is really underwhelming.
In many ways it actually does. Textures for example.

Framerate was pretty awful on DA though.
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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Since 7134 Days
I think this game looks nice, very nice artstyle, and i like the 2 tone color scheme. To be honest, this is probably the 1 game id buy a ps3 for.
But, graphically its not out of this world, and WHY do people mind, since when do we judge purely on graphics!!!???
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 7437 Days
Posted by gmulis
is that so, can we say Halo3 won't be a great game because it will sell millions of copies

great sells are an indication of a great game (90% of the time)

if a game doesn't sell then that bad luck
Yes it is so.

Bioshock probaly wont sell to well along with BD dose that make them bad games? i think not, its not as black and white as you think it is, and you cant really judge games on a franchise as most of the time the game sells on the success of the first game before it. If you get a new IP that sells millions then i agree 90% of the time its because its a great game, otherwise i would say its more 60% on game part 2/3 ect.. of games that sold well before it, if MGS4/Halo3 gets ripped a new hole in its reviews do you think for one moment it will sell bad NO, they will both still sell millions as the rabid fanbase is already there.
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Halle Berry: Delgado i am feeling really reall dirty tonight, shall i call Jessica Simpson for a threesome?

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JXB
JXB
Since 6909 Days
I agree with Lebato and Jin, SC:DA looks better than this, and yes Ive seen the video, the character models have a lot of detail, but everything else is mediocre to average, The walls, the floor, etc. I really dont like the art style, way too monochromatic, nothing but shades of green.
Posted by Schmooboo
But, graphically its not out of this world, and WHY do people mind, since when do we judge purely on graphics!!!???
Because graphics has been one of MGS' main features since its original ps1 release, when MGS released on ps1 everyone was talking about how great the graphics were. When the PS2 was first shown MGS2 was there to show off the ps2's graphical capabilities, most people thought it was cgi, then finally at tgs05 everyone was talking about how great MGS4 looked and how much detail Kojima put into the character models, the hair and mustache were supposed to have thousands of polygons.
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Optimusv2
Optimusv2
Since 7469 Days
I think MGS4 looks great, but lets not get outta hand here guys it isn't even remotely close to being one of the more technically impressive looking games out there. Not even close.

I just happen to like it artistically and thats more important to me.

It actually doesn't look better than Splinter Cell Double Agent. I have no intention to play splinter cell DA, but graphically it does have mgs4 beat pretty handily I think. And anyone looking at sam's bald head and the textures present on him and the look of the environments will notice that. Textures and all.
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Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of the greatest books ever.

pssh! more like electronic gay-ming monthly! amirite

gmulis - blames poor<br>marketing
gmulis
Since 7365 Days
Posted by dcdelgado
Yes it is so.

Bioshock probaly wont sell to well along with BD dose that make them bad games? i think not, its not as black and white as you think it is, and you cant really judge games on a franchise as most of the time the game sells on the success of the first game before it. If you get a new IP that sells millions then i agree 90% of the time its because its a great game, otherwise i would say its more 60% on game part 2/3 ect.. of games that sold well before it, if MGS4/Halo3 gets ripped a new hole in its reviews do you think for one moment it will sell bad NO, they will both still sell millions as the rabid fanbase is already there.
blame poor marketing ....... if you hype u game nothing can stop it from selling milllions, gears of war did it, peter molyneux did it with fable 1, and sony did it with KZ2
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JXB
JXB
Since 6909 Days
Posted by gmulis
blame poor marketing ....... if you hype u game nothing can stop it from selling milllions, gears of war did it, peter molyneux did it with fable 1, and sony did it with KZ2
1. Bioshock and Blue Dragon will sell a million, guaranteed.
2. Lots of hype doesnt always sell a game, Brute Force, and SoTC are examples.
3. Killzone 2 hasnt proven to be a big seller yet, after KZ1 Id be surprised if it sold as good as the first.
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dcdelgado
dcdelgado
Since 7437 Days
Posted by gmulis
blame poor marketing ....... if you hype u game nothing can stop it from selling milllions
lol now that deserves to be a sig ;p
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7444 Days
Speaking of Killzone, I HAVE to get Killzone from Ps2...I can't believe I missed that.
Yes I know many say it sucks, many also say its good. But I am a Killzone fan from its art so I have to get it.

Thx JXB for mentioning Killzone 1.
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SimonM7 - The other mod's bitch
SimonM7
Since 7600 Days
The first thing you do Sath; fix the damn sensitivity. I'm replaying the game now and I can't believe how much more playable it got since I like.. doubled the sensitivity on both axis..es....axes... axixexises.. damn language.

As soon as one disregards of those obviously super fake DA screens and play the game they'll get slapped right back to reality. That is just not how the game looks. Once you're in control, it zooms out, detail is hopelessly lost unless you rape the camera against a wall and get it to spaz into Sam's face for a closeup, and when detail is gone it might just aswell not even be there.

Which is where the cost of that detail comes happily hopping in - framerate issues from hell. Screen tearing and slowdown absolutely everywhere.

Now MGS4 might look scarce when they zoom into Snake's butt for PR shots, but when you play the actual game, that detail isn't missed. Instead you have constant fucking 60fps sex to deal with.

Bookended by cutscenes. MGS cutscenes. Second to none in terms of animation, atmospheric effects, direction and camera work. When you actually get close enough to scrutinize detail you can see Snake's tongue as he adjusts his cigarette. You're lucky if Sam even opens his mouth when he talks.

I haven't played through a single MGS game (got to Metal Gear in the first though!) because I sort of missed the train being a Sega fan and only having Saturn and Dreamcast and cursing the PSX and PS2 to hell... Truth is I'm a huge Splinter Cell fan, but not only do I find the suggestion that DA looks better than MGS4 absolutely rediculous, but I also don't think they even remotely emphasise and prioritise the same things about their graphics. Not on an artistic level, not on a technical level, not even on a gameplay level - in terms of realism vs efficiency/clarity.

I'm cool with whatever anyone else reckons, this is how I feel.
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 7321 Days
Posted by SimonM7
As soon as one disregards of those obviously super fake DA screens and play the game they'll get slapped right back to reality. That is just not how the game looks. Once you're in control, it zooms out, detail is hopelessly lost unless you rape the camera against a wall and get it to spaz into Sam's face for a closeup, and when detail is gone it might just aswell not even be there.
I'm sorry but i have to greatly disagree with what you say here, the game looks even better than those screens in motion, i agree with its framrate issues and tearing but SC:DA definately looks just as good and better on many occasions than those screens.
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 7183 Days
DA does look incredible. I think MGS4 looks plain and boring.
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mkk316
mkk316
Since 7390 Days
Posted by TheBeagle
DA does look incredible. I think MGS4 looks plain and boring.
oh c'mon man. Kojima has made a serious effort to make MGS 4 more playable than past games. Offering a fully 3d camera, and 2 new additional POV's for use throughout the game, and you cant tell me that SC's setting, characters and technology are more interesting than MGS4's.
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