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Ronsauce

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Posted by Viginti_Tres

The Prestige was awesome. It made me appreciate Lady Gaga.

Why?

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blmbox

Since 6590 Days

Okay, so I just came back from Inception.

It's one of the best films I've ever seen, and the biggest compliment I can pay it is that I want to see it again as soon as possible - something which I've only felt once before (with The Lord of the Rings trilogy). It's just mind-blowing, from the visual effects to the premise itself. I don't really want to talk about it too much in fear of giving a lot of the details, but all I'll say is that if you're able to take in the complexity of it as you go along and accept that there is no definitive interpretation with regards to some aspects of the film, you will absolutely love it. And the ending, whichever way you want to look at it, received one of the greatest reactions I've ever witnessed from a cinema audience; one, big, simultaneous gasp.

@Grift:

I agree. Although it appears to be open to interpretation, details such as the children being exactly as he had envisioned them earlier in the film, as well as the way he is greeted by his accomplaces - the way they smile at him in a dream-like manner - points towards him still being in limbo, even though the hope that he finally gets to 'go home' in reality is maintained. I don't think it's a sad ending though. When he spins the totem, he doesn't even stop to see if it continues spinning; it is as if he knows it isn't going to stop, as he accepts the state of limbo that he finds himself. It's his reality.

The only thing that confused me was his confrontation with the aged Saito. It wasn't the event itself which confused me, as I know it was Cobb staying behind in limbo to find Saito so that he could bring him back to reality, but the fact that it takes place initially at the beginning of the film was slightly confusing, although I think I get it.

Like I said, mind-blowing stuff.

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Okay, so I just came back from Inception.

It's one of the best films I've ever seen, and the biggest compliment I can pay it is that I want to see it again as soon as possible - something which I've only felt once before (with The Lord of the Rings trilogy). It's just mind-blowing, from the visual effects to the premise itself. I don't really want to talk about it too much in fear of giving a lot of the details, but all I'll say is that if you're able to take in the complexity of it as you go along and accept that there is no definitive interpretation with regards to some aspects of the film, you will absolutely love it. And the ending, whichever way you want to look at it, received one of the greatest reactions I've ever witnessed from a cinema audience; one, big, simultaneous gasp.

@Grift:

[spoiler]I agree. Although it appears to be open to interpretation, details such as the children being exactly as he had envisioned them earlier in the film, as well as the way he is greeted by his accomplaces - the way they smile at him in a dream-like manner - points towards him still being in limbo, even though the hope that he finally gets to 'go home' in reality is maintained. I don't think it's a sad ending though. When he spins the totem, he doesn't even stop to see if it continues spinning; it is as if he knows it isn't going to stop, as he accepts the state of limbo that he finds himself. It's his reality.

The only thing that confused me was his confrontation with the aged Saito. It wasn't the event itself which confused me, as I know it was Cobb staying behind in limbo to find Saito so that he could bring him back to reality, but the fact that it takes place initially at the beginning of the film was slightly confusing, although I think I get it.[/spoiler]

Like I said, mind-blowing stuff.

blmbox

Since 6590 Days

On top of my previous spoiler comment:

I can see why someone may interpret the end as in fact being reality. In his previous dreams the totem would spin perfectly as an indication of him being in a dream; in the ending, however, the totem begins to wobble before the scene cuts. I'm still with you Grift that he was still in limbo though.

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GriftGFX

Since 7259 Days

Posted by blmbox

Okay, so I just came back from Inception.

It's one of the best films I've ever seen, and the biggest compliment I can pay it is that I want to see it again as soon as possible - something which I've only felt once before (with The Lord of the Rings trilogy). It's just mind-blowing, from the visual effects to the premise itself. I don't really want to talk about it too much in fear of giving a lot of the details, but all I'll say is that if you're able to take in the complexity of it as you go along and accept that there is no definitive interpretation with regards to some aspects of the film, you will absolutely love it. And the ending, whichever way you want to look at it, received one of the greatest reactions I've ever witnessed from a cinema audience; one, big, simultaneous gasp.

@Grift:

I agree. Although it appears to be open to interpretation, details such as the children being exactly as he had envisioned them earlier in the film, as well as the way he is greeted by his accomplaces - the way they smile at him in a dream-like manner - points towards him still being in limbo, even though the hope that he finally gets to 'go home' in reality is maintained. I don't think it's a sad ending though. When he spins the totem, he doesn't even stop to see if it continues spinning; it is as if he knows it isn't going to stop, as he accepts the state of limbo that he finds himself. It's his reality.

The only thing that confused me was his confrontation with the aged Saito. It wasn't the event itself which confused me, as I know it was Cobb staying behind in limbo to find Saito so that he could bring him back to reality, but the fact that it takes place initially at the beginning of the film was slightly confusing, although I think I get it.

Like I said, mind-blowing stuff.

But that is a sad ending. Everyone lets go of their totem down there, it seems, before they get stuck. That's literally the end of all that he is. His kids will never see him again, nor he them, as his father. I don't think there's really all that much left open to interpretation. That's why the forceful question mark tacked on to the last seconds of the film really bother me. Alternatively, though, it does fit within the theme of the movie. Nolan gives the audience the choice to pick the illusion of happiness over the reality that's right in front of their face.

I still don't see how that can be interpreted as a happy ending.. unless you can accept the possibility that he made it home, which seems very unlikely.

Posted by blmbox

I can see why someone may interpret the end as in fact being reality. In his previous dreams the totem would spin perfectly as an indication of him being in a dream; in the ending, however, the totem begins to wobble before the scene cuts. I'm still with you Grift that he was still in limbo though.

And they make a point not to show it actually fall. It's pretty obvious that it's *forcing* you to consider both outcomes. But there's overwhelming evidence to support that he's still in "limbo" and very little to suggest that he actually made it home. Ultimately it's only those last few seconds which grind against my sensibilities.

But, then I consider what giving the audience the option to hold on to the dream for themselves means, and I'm a little more forgiving. It's just anything but tactful, which is surprising in a movie with so much grace despite itself.

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[quote=blmbox]Okay, so I just came back from Inception.

It's one of the best films I've ever seen, and the biggest compliment I can pay it is that I want to see it again as soon as possible - something which I've only felt once before (with The Lord of the Rings trilogy). It's just mind-blowing, from the visual effects to the premise itself. I don't really want to talk about it too much in fear of giving a lot of the details, but all I'll say is that if you're able to take in the complexity of it as you go along and accept that there is no definitive interpretation with regards to some aspects of the film, you will absolutely love it. And the ending, whichever way you want to look at it, received one of the greatest reactions I've ever witnessed from a cinema audience; one, big, simultaneous gasp.

@Grift:

[spoiler]I agree. Although it appears to be open to interpretation, details such as the children being exactly as he had envisioned them earlier in the film, as well as the way he is greeted by his accomplaces - the way they smile at him in a dream-like manner - points towards him still being in limbo, even though the hope that he finally gets to 'go home' in reality is maintained. I don't think it's a sad ending though. When he spins the totem, he doesn't even stop to see if it continues spinning; it is as if he knows it isn't going to stop, as he accepts the state of limbo that he finds himself. It's his reality.

The only thing that confused me was his confrontation with the aged Saito. It wasn't the event itself which confused me, as I know it was Cobb staying behind in limbo to find Saito so that he could bring him back to reality, but the fact that it takes place initially at the beginning of the film was slightly confusing, although I think I get it.[/spoiler]

Like I said, mind-blowing stuff.[/quote]

[spoiler]But that is a sad ending. Everyone lets go of their totem down there, it seems, before they get stuck. That's literally the end of all that he is. His kids will never see him again, nor he them, as his father. I don't think there's really all that much left open to interpretation. That's why the forceful question mark tacked on to the last seconds of the film really bother me. Alternatively, though, it does fit within the theme of the movie. Nolan gives the audience the choice to pick the illusion of happiness over the reality that's right in front of their face.

I still don't see how that can be interpreted as a happy ending.. unless you can accept the possibility that he made it home, which seems very unlikely.[/spoiler]

[quote=blmbox][spoiler]I can see why someone may interpret the end as in fact being reality. In his previous dreams the totem would spin perfectly as an indication of him being in a dream; in the ending, however, the totem begins to wobble before the scene cuts. I'm still with you Grift that he was still in limbo though.[/spoiler][/quote]

[spoiler]And they make a point [i]not[/i] to show it actually fall. It's pretty obvious that it's *forcing* you to consider both outcomes. But there's overwhelming evidence to support that he's still in "limbo" and very little to suggest that he actually made it home. Ultimately it's only those last few seconds which grind against my sensibilities.

But, then I consider what giving the audience the option to hold on to the dream for themselves means, and I'm a little more forgiving. It's just anything but tactful, which is surprising in a movie with so much grace despite itself.[/spoiler]

blmbox

Since 6590 Days

I still maintain that it's a perfect ending for the film, simply because it does ask you to consider both outcomes. I agree that it's much more likely for him to be in limbo than reality, but it isn't a foregone conclusion; there are a few things that support him living in reality. The totem begins to wobble, which was not possible in his dreams; it was consistently stated throughout the film that, in his own limbo, it was not possible for him to see his children's faces; and, although we never see it topple, we also don't know that it continues to spin. Yes, the evidence of him being in limbo heavily outweighs him living in reality, but Nolan never gives us that assurance. What I'm trying to get at is that the fact we're forced into uncertainty makes the ending very powerful, especially given the film's prominent theme. An audience member who decides that the ending is happy, and that Cobb does find his way home in reality, isn't wrong - and that's the beauty of it.

But the real beauty of the ending is that it also forces us to question the entire film. With the knowledge that we don't know for sure whether Cobb is in limbo or not, it creates somewhat of a ripple effect; we now start to consider what was real and what was dream throughout the movie. The transitions between what we're told is dream and what we're told is reality is so quick and subtle that you may wonder whether there was a reality at all, or if these segments of reality were less frequent than we were led to believe. The ending therefore fits in perfectly with both the rest of the world and the concept of the dream; we're asked to question reality and the world that Nolan depicts. Is it real or, as one character puts it, 'just... pure creation'?

But if you want to look at it from a purely cinematic perspective, it's just fantastic directing. The fact is that people are going to be talking about the ending of Inception for a long time, and I'm sure it's going to be considered one of the most discussed endings in recent history. Nolan wanted us to be talking about this film long afterwards, and I've no doubts that he succeeded in that.

There are so many things to consider, and so many levels with which to analyse the film. I just think it's a real work of art.

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[spoiler]I still maintain that it's a perfect ending for the film, simply because it [i]does[/i] ask you to consider both outcomes. I agree that it's much more likely for him to be in limbo than reality, but it isn't a foregone conclusion; there are a few things that support him living in reality. The totem begins to wobble, which was not possible in his dreams; it was consistently stated throughout the film that, in his own limbo, it was not possible for him to see his children's faces; and, although we never see it topple, we also don't know that it continues to spin. Yes, the evidence of him being in limbo heavily outweighs him living in reality, but Nolan never gives us that assurance. What I'm trying to get at is that the fact we're forced into uncertainty makes the ending very powerful, especially given the film's prominent theme. An audience member who decides that the ending is happy, and that Cobb does find his way home in reality, isn't wrong - and that's the beauty of it.

But the real beauty of the ending is that it also forces us to question the entire film. With the knowledge that we don't know for sure whether Cobb is in limbo or not, it creates somewhat of a ripple effect; we now start to consider what was real and what was dream throughout the movie. The transitions between what we're told is dream and what we're told is reality is so quick and subtle that you may wonder whether there was a reality at all, or if these segments of reality were less frequent than we were led to believe. The ending therefore fits in perfectly with both the rest of the world and the concept of the dream; we're asked to question reality and the world that Nolan depicts. Is it real or, as one character puts it, 'just... pure creation'?

But if you want to look at it from a purely cinematic perspective, it's just fantastic directing. The fact is that people are going to be talking about the ending of Inception for a long time, and I'm sure it's going to be considered one of the most discussed endings in recent history. Nolan wanted us to be talking about this film long afterwards, and I've no doubts that he succeeded in that.[/spoiler]

There are so many things to consider, and so many levels with which to analyse the film. I just think it's a real work of art.

Tinks

Since 7188 Days

Why must there be so much tempting spoilers in this thread about this movie. Curse you both

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6761 Days

Posted by Ronsauce

Why?

It changed my perception of artists and what art can do.

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GriftGFX

Since 7259 Days

it was consistently stated throughout the film that, in his own limbo, it was not possible for him to see his children's faces

He chose not to, they never said he couldn't.

An audience member who decides that the ending is happy, and that Cobb does find his way home in reality, isn't wrong - and that's the beauty of it.

I'm not as willing to accept that this is actually true. I don't see the evidence to suggest that their mission ends in success. The fact that we're never shown a proper final trigger speaks volumes. According to the main character, they all wake without *any* trigger in the (not) "real world." The only so called evidence to suggest any other outcome is the little cock-tease half tumble of his totem.

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blmbox

Since 6590 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

He chose not to, they never said he couldn't.

Either way, the fact that he is able to in the instance we're discussing could be saying something.

But whether you believe in the evidence - or lack of - or not, the fact is that we're not spoon-fed a definitive ending; we're essentially asked by Nolan to choose. You don't see the evidence in it being reality and so have opted for the other outcome, but I've seen various comments on forums etcetera that believe the exact opposite. All I'm trying to get at is that, in my opinion, Nolan chose the best ending possible; not one with a conclusive answer but one that, like a dream, is determined by our perception of it.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7202 Days

Predators, massively let down by it

The movie is to scared to stand on its own two legs so spends 90% of the time doing direct references to the first movie

Grow some bollox directors.

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5966 Days

Something is wrong with the forum its all black!!!

I saw for the 20 time Mr Brooks and I love it to death.

The interaction of Mr Brooks and Marshall are freakin great.

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Ronsauce

Since 7244 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

The fact that we're never shown a proper final trigger speaks volumes. According to the main character, they all wake without *any* trigger in the (not) "real world."

With the exception of Cobb and Saito, do the characters all not wake up from the van plunging into the river?

Something I didn't really catch but my roommate brought up was the seemingly reverse order in which the "kicks" worked. At the start, Cobb gets kicked in what we'll call dream 1 in order to pull him out of dream 2 instead of to wake him into the real world. The kicks worked in an opposite fashion throughout the rest of the movie. For example, Ellen Page jumps off the building in dream 4(limbo) which wakes her in dream 3(snow base) which collapses to wake her in dream 2(elevator) which plummets to wake her in dream 1(van) which plunges into the river to wake her in what is potentially the real world. Any idea what's up?

In any case, I absolutely loved it. It was a pure joy to watch.

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[quote=GriftGFX]The fact that we're never shown a proper final trigger speaks volumes. According to the main character, they all wake without *any* trigger in the (not) "real world."[/spoiler][/quote]

[spoiler]With the exception of Cobb and Saito, do the characters all not wake up from the van plunging into the river?

Something I didn't really catch but my roommate brought up was the seemingly reverse order in which the "kicks" worked. At the start, Cobb gets kicked in what we'll call dream 1 in order to pull him out of dream 2 instead of to wake him into the real world. The kicks worked in an opposite fashion throughout the rest of the movie. For example, Ellen Page jumps off the building in dream 4(limbo) which wakes her in dream 3(snow base) which collapses to wake her in dream 2(elevator) which plummets to wake her in dream 1(van) which plunges into the river to wake her in what is potentially the real world. Any idea what's up?[/spoiler]

In any case, I absolutely loved it. It was a pure joy to watch.

Zapp Brannigan: If we can hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate.

Ronsauce

Since 7244 Days

I was thinking about it some more...despite it seeming this way, I suppose the fall into the tub at the beginning in dream 1 wasn't meant to be a kick...but was instead meant to help cause a kick to occur in level 2 to wake Cobb into level 1. But then again, why did the series of real life kicks that were done as tests to Arthur pull him out of his dream during the whole planning stage?

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FireWire

Since 7259 Days

Just got back from watching Inception...

MIND BLOWN!

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"First come smiles, then comes lies. Last is gunfire"

UrukHaiPT

Since 6786 Days

Just finished watching Heat. Holy shit it was great! Loved it.

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PlumbDrumb

Since 7252 Days

Zombieland

One of my favorite parts is the opening credits, showing all those zombies running in slow motion, with blood flying out of their mouths.
Awesome!

Fun movie, just seemed kinda short.

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Oh well, whatever

Tinks

Since 7188 Days

I just saw Inception as well, amazing. Spurs some awesome conversation definitely

Technically the ending is happy. Cobb is at peace with what he caused his wife to do (basically murdered her), and can see his kids again. What's not happy about that? His story is a tragic one, and that is what's depressing.

I think one of the most beautiful things about the movie is the emotion it could make you feel without knowing full characters back stories. Like finding that paper pinwheel was so touching and they hardly focused on Fischer as a character. SO good.

Something to really think about that will fuck with you: Cobb basically destroys his wife's totem whom originally comes up with the totem. So how is it EVER functioning for him in the movie if he ruined its reality by touching it thus causing his wife's insanity? All it does is represent is inability to let go, which he does at the end finally.

As for the ending and everything, it really fit well with the movie. It was just like that final convo between Cobb and his wife. She talks about how you question what is real and what isn't. What better way to end a movie where characters are struggling against what reality is than to make the audience feel it right there with them. Which is another thing. This movie is REALLY accessible and touches on very basic things anyone can enjoy.

Jason Gordon-Levitt's character RULED by the way. Totally stole the show for me, he was just cool to watch.

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I just saw Inception as well, amazing. Spurs some awesome conversation definitely

[spoiler]Technically the ending is happy. Cobb is at peace with what he caused his wife to do (basically murdered her), and can see his kids again. What's not happy about that? His story is a tragic one, and that is what's depressing.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I think one of the most beautiful things about the movie is the emotion it could make you feel without knowing full characters back stories. Like finding that paper pinwheel was so touching and they hardly focused on Fischer as a character. SO good.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Something to really think about that will fuck with you: Cobb basically destroys his wife's totem whom originally comes up with the totem. So how is it EVER functioning for him in the movie if he ruined its reality by touching it thus causing his wife's insanity? All it does is represent is inability to let go, which he does at the end finally.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]As for the ending and everything, it really fit well with the movie. It was just like that final convo between Cobb and his wife. She talks about how you question what is real and what isn't. What better way to end a movie where characters are struggling against what reality is than to make the audience feel it right there with them. Which is another thing. This movie is REALLY accessible and touches on very basic things anyone can enjoy.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Jason Gordon-Levitt's character RULED by the way. Totally stole the show for me, he was just cool to watch.[/spoiler]

Tinks

Since 7188 Days

Also another tid bit that most people will probably overlook when they see the movie. The music they use as warnings for the "kicks" (played over the head phones) were taken from the famous French singer Edith Piaf

I don't know if any of you guys have seen La Vie En Rose. It won an academy award a few years back. Marion Cotillard is the actress who played Edith Piaf in La Vie En Rose and won the Oscar for the role. Marion Cotillard who also plays Mal, Cobbs wife.

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Tinks

Since 7188 Days

Joseph Gordon-Levitt* my bad

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blmbox

Since 6590 Days

That fightscene with JGL in the hotel is one of the best I've ever seen. Matrix eat your heart out!

The point about the totem is definitely a valid one. We're told throughout the movie that the true function of totem is only really maintained if the person's 'owner' is the only one who can tell its unique features - Ellen Paige's character makes the point when she designs her own. The fact that Cobb's totem isn't actually his totem throws everything into the spotlight, so to speak.

I really need to see Inception again. I feel like there's so many aspects of the film that I need to revisit, just to get a clearer picture.

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Tinks

Since 7188 Days

I also heard whether he's wearing his wedding ring is a signifier of reality too. It was a small detail I didn't even bother noticing when I saw it. Other than that I don't think there is anything major that can be overlooked

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GriftGFX

Since 7259 Days

He's in limbo. Still a great movie. Still think the last second head fake is stupid.

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IRAIPT0IR

Since 5966 Days

I know what you mean like he was there and then pooof he was gone!!!![/quote]

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UrukHaiPT

Since 6786 Days

Rewatched: 300 and Watchmen i like them.

Saw for the first time Goodfellas, it was pretty good!

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