New Forza 2 thread - UPDATE 4 New Screens from IGN.

lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6574 Days
Posted by Acert93
Yeah the world is ick, but the cars are sick!
They lack cube mapping completely, Acert! This is day and night from trailer.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6950 Days
Posted by lukasblue
They lack cube mapping completely, Acert! This is day and night from trailer.
Should we go over what the Forza 2 cars lack completely?
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RAZurrection
RAZurrection
Since 6700 Days
Posted by Acert93
Guys, that is a reworked PS2 level from the original,
It's in the trailer
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lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6574 Days
Posted by LEBATO
Should we go over what the Forza 2 cars lack completely?
In.game cars looks fine to me in Forza2. We dont have any clear footage yet but this is indication.



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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6950 Days
Posted by lukasblue
In.game cars looks fine to me in Forza2. We dont have any clear footage yet but this is indication.
(The following just relates to the cars, NOTHING ELSE.)

Lukas, to you youtube videos are just fine for judging graphics. For you it's ok to praise the reflections on TDU, a game that looks subpar when compared to what's available out there, and what's coming (F1, GT, etc).

So really, to say the cars in Forza 2 look just fine to you doesn't really mean that much to me. To me, the FM2 cars clearly look (so far) more like a videogame, in GT's case, they have a photo realistic look to them.

I will say it for the 100585th time that GT will have fully rendered interiors, and that's a huge step up from FM2 cars. The lighting looks considerably better in GT, the colors look a lot more realistic in GT, the driver looks extremely detailed, and the reflections look great.

Here;
http://forzamotorsport.net/NR/rdonlyres/CCD617D2-1...

http://forzamotorsport.net/NR/rdonlyres/C0BF11DE-8...

You may call them bad/old shots, I think that's the real look of the game as of last time we saw it. Those law-quality shots you posted don't show much.

You mention cube mapping, but any effect needs to be applied very well to look great. If cube mapping in FM2 will look like this:

http://forzamotorsport.net/NR/rdonlyres/F7128212-3...

Then I don't want it.

That said, I'm judging from what I've seen of both games so far. And that said, PGR3 cars look comparable if not better than GT's, frankly the differences are way too minimal for me too care.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 6673 Days
Is this game still scheduled for February? I was hoping to get it with the wireless racing wheel.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 6711 Days
Is GT-HD even using HDR ?

I noticed that both PGR3 and FZ2 have over exagerated colours.

HDR allows for higher contrast which could effect the saturation of colours.

If you look at the yellow car above it's not really very realistic looking.
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Schmooboo
Schmooboo
Since 6384 Days
For everyone who keeps praising GT, i honestly suggest you go easy on it... Forza isnt out yet, and its getting old, soon youll start prasing killzone 2...
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NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Since 6540 Days
Posted by Schmooboo
For everyone who keeps praising GT, i honestly suggest you go easy on it... Forza isnt out yet, and its getting old, soon youll start prasing killzone 2...
lol
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lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6574 Days
I am using ingame shots to avoid any bullshots situation and only such pic i will admit as evidence. Frame buffer grabs have odd effect to lack any post process gfx which adds much to picture quality.




You say you dont care for lack of ingame cube mapping in gthd at the same time admitting you think reflections (cube maps) in gthd are better. And dont you care that trees dont reflect on car?

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Schmooboo
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Since 6384 Days
HAHAHA, nice point lukas, GT cars do look better, there i said it, but everything else has horrible cheap graphs. well duno why but alot of the environments in GT dont even look 3d
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NeoNemesis
NeoNemesis
Since 6540 Days
Posted by Schmooboo
HAHAHA, nice point lukas, GT cars do look better, there i said it, but everything else has horrible cheap graphs. well duno why but alot of the environments in GT dont even look 3d
They use 2d backdrops. Like wallpapers on desktops.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 6828 Days
Posted by deftangel
In your opinion. Have you played it? And by played it, I mean the full game. Not the kiosk demo, not the PSN demo.
They don't need to!

And yes, I'm perfectly serious about F1:CE--that is a HORRIBLE screen grab. Direct feed shots and video show how beautiful the game looks--and in motion it's even better. The realtime and dynamic volumetric lighting effects are basically mind blowing, if you've seen the game in action and you still think it's not one of the best looking (best, imo) racing games ever, then okay!

Nice war you've started here Acert, some people are a little too defensive. GT:HD indeed has beautiful car models and a wonderful palette and a nice light model...but don't let that fool anyone! ;) ..a more "Realistic" look is always welcome in a game like this. But some people will be fine with pop-off-the-screen-cartoon-cars too.

It should be more interesting when we see the real GT5, anyway.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6799 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Nice war you've started here Acert
Muwahahaha the boards were quiet ;)

I mainly did it because I keep checking FM2's site and it is... so... slow. I love these sort of games (reason I got a PS1), and if MS is gonna be quiet I may as well get my drug of choice elsewhere :P Anyhow, sexy cars and FM2 SHOULD go together! I just gave some samples of what we should expect as a minimum.
But some people will be fine with pop-off-the-screen-cartoon-cars too.
Some of the ingame footage of GT, to be honest, looks like that. Black sillouettes :| That is what happens when you stick a next gen car on a PS2 level! As for shadows and reflections, it is a WIP. Ditto FM2. I can name a laundry list of things wrong in FM2 (oh wait, already did!). Ditto TDU (cubemaps are wrong! backwards even gasp). By far I think PGR3 is the most balanced racer to market so far in regards to technology and how it was balanced. The new F1 game from Sony looks killer as you mentioned--the volumetric lighting is indeed sweet.

Big/High expectations for all these games. Come on MS, release some GOOD FM2 footage! Blow us away!
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anm8rjp
anm8rjp
Since 7525 Days
Forza2 and Colin McRae Dirt... 2007 is going to be sweet.
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bloodforge
bloodforge
Since 6821 Days
I think i've said this before, GTHD looks great in screenshots, but it completely fails when in motion, nothing reflects onto the cars making the cars seem like they don't belong in the game world(world shadows are especially noticable, this even bugged the hell out of me in GT4 where you just run over the shadow like its painted on the ground and it doesn't cast a shadow on the car). The lighting also looks kinda flat to me, like its overcast.

I don't really care if there is an incar dash view or not, its nice to have and look at and wow people, but I'd rather use a 3rd person or bumper view when actually trying to race. I wouldn't be suprised if they were not used in GT5 simply because of the large number of cars(which is why FM2 doesn't use it). And GTHD only has like 5 or 6 cars I think.

We need some new FM2 screens too, last ones released are from September, I would really like to see what it currently looks like.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6799 Days
p. 49 of the new EGM has a couple small pictures of FM2.
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INDIGO
INDIGO
Since 7530 Days
It's a crime how little we have seen of Forza 2. I'm getting pissed.
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anm8rjp
anm8rjp
Since 7525 Days
http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t...

Link to newest EGM's photos from forzacentral.com 's forums.

Small, which makes the quality suffer. Hard to tell. Come on MS give it up, show us some gameplay. This game is comning out in around 90 days right?
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lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6574 Days
Elise on Tsukuba (i think), it looks alright. Though game is apparently downgraded to 2 x fsaa.

EDIT: No US/EU scans, as you should know by now.
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LEBATO - IS WRONG
LEBATO
Since 6950 Days
Thanks for the shots. They look good, though the quality isn't very expressing.
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hasanahmad
hasanahmad
Since 6843 Days
Posted by lukasblue
Elise on Tsukuba (i think), it looks alright. Though game is apparently downgraded to 2 x fsaa.
currently in 2xAA or final will also be
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lukasblue
lukasblue
Since 6574 Days
Posted by hasanahmad
currently in 2xAA or final will also be
Final. Probably the price they need to pay for 60 fps.
Forza Motorsport 2 burns rubber at 60 fps with 2x full-screen anti-aliasing, and high-dynamic-range lighting in crisp 720p high-definition glory.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/f/forzamotorsport2...
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INDIGO
INDIGO
Since 7530 Days
Need video. Pics don't mean much.
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deftangel - Hot stuff!
deftangel
Since 6696 Days
Woah did I miss something? Since when was it 2x?

PGR3 looks jaggy to me in places, always jarred with me. Can't believe they want to pull the same crap with Forza 2, 60FPS or not!
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