Well they seem to have put so much effort in mplayer, i dont think we'll be playing much of the SP component...

Yea I most definitely did Neo the AI sounds like it might be the most incredible thing I've ever experienced in a racer :)

I think I'm going to have a lot of fun with this game be it multiplayer or singleplayer.

Cant see any difference between them really obviously Forza 2 pic has reflection of tree but PGR 3 would if in same place.

The side mirrors are rendered better in Forza.

The car can be damaged far more comprehensively in Forza as well. Of course it can also have several thousand layers of decals applied! :P

The car is slightly better modelled in Forza and the reflections are much more realistic in Forza as well.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/743/743956/vids...

vid is very cool i must say

Yup the Forza model is definately better, the reflections are as realistic as they get aswell :)

Yeh, the Forza Lambo looks better in everyway, apart fromt he dashboard of course :p

Any other comparisons deft?

What's up with the low-res textures on this? The "dirt" looks especially low-res.
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5056/847_...

EDIT: This goes to all racers, not just Forza.

Why aren't we seeing effects like heat shimmer anymore? I saw it in GT3 and it looked amazing. Does GT4 have it?

Moto GP had it too. But anyways, GT3 did an excellent job with that and it looked amazing, that's something that adds a whole lot of realism, especially during replays. And if the PS2 was able to do it so early in its lifetime and looked amazing, why aren't we seeing that anymore?

If they made the dirt look too fancy wouldn't it be cartooney? I think its a good subtle look and they should stick with it. I mean it looked pretty good when they showed cars getting dirty at GDC.

I wouldn't worry about the textures to be honest it looks a lot better in motion anyway. Also in regards to textures I hope you aren't also talking about the grass and road because we've seen more than enough already to know the roads look great, but can be funny looking in stills. Other than that I don't see much that looks low res.

Also Acert you think forza is ray tracing?

Lebato we can't even be totally sure if it doesn't have it. And if it doesn't have it maybe there are more important things they rather put in there who knows.

All the front part of the bumper is extremely low res. Check the Michellin dude, WTF?

Anyways, the patches of grass in FM2 can't compare to this;
http://www.winsoftware.de/screenshots/big/trackman...

Am I comparing the games? No. My point is that I just can't say FM2 excels at anything graphics related. It does a reasonable job at putting everything together though.

@Lebato: And you are pointing to every graphical weakness you can find. That front bumper of Vette looks bad indeed. I dont know why because the other part looks good. It could be that all those cars are in some transformation modus (or effect of damage as it looks on frame buffer grab); we see things which are very advanced and than we see somethnig which is like Burnout. I am sure that the end result will be good.

Well, the grass is just patches unlike in Trackmania. And yeah, Trackmania would be great XBLA game, thought the PC game is about 300MB but they could probably reduce that, and considering Nations is a FREE game, I wonder what MS is waiting really. A bit of cash and it's up.

I'm pointing what seems to me like GLEARING weaknesses. It's not like I have to start looking for what is wrong, the low res textures are the first thing I saw on that shot.

I'm not sure the end result will be good, but I'm certainly hoping that 'vette gets some texture upgrades and they fix other problems I've pointed out before.

I dont think they are low res actually, but they are smeared as dirt covers them. The dirt is not visible well enough though. Same goes for lack of glass reflection from front lights.

Lebato you've gone to the point of no return I can't believe you compared grass in trackmania to the grass in forza 2 (which I still think looks much better and makes more realistic sense for the tracks they are racing on) Just seems like you're determined not to give forza 2 any credit whatsoever for the sake of your arguments. Even went as far as to pick out the weakest screen from the bunch and use it as a means to judge the entire game. If Forza 2 doesn't excel in any particular area graphically then no game does. Just a "reasonable" job of putting them all together? Give me a break...

I can't see how anyone can find fault in forza 2's grass. You've seen the damn videos. In the gamevideos vid it looked fantastic, in others it has looked great even in a crappy x06 vid it looked great. Who in god's name compares forza 2 to THIS.. The grass in forza 2 not green enough? Should forza 2's grass be much taller as a sign of superiority? The gamevideos vid has more than just "patches" of grass. Maybe turn10 should totally cover the roads in the game with grass too.

http://www.winsoftware.de/screenshots/big/trackman...

I await the forza 2 vs Crysis comparisons.

"GTHD isn't more technically advanced in most ways than FM2 (possibly quite the reverse) but they invested in the right areas artistically, especially their paint and reflection shaders. I doubt GT5 will look quite as good at GTHD with more cars + better tracks, but the point remains that artistically PD did an awesome job with lighting."

I think the real reason is because GT HD is a ps2 game with some higher resolution textures. How difficult would it be for them to make the cars look good? Forza 2 looks better than GT HD and PGR3, but of course I don't expect people to admit that.

Is it possible for you guys to find as many faults in PGR3, GT HD, formula or are those games too perfect to nitpick? Thats a serious question. Trying to really see what forza 2 is being compared to. It has better grass than GT HD, better grass than PGR3... better reflections than GT HD, better reflections than PGR3.. bah who cares I'll make this my last post in this thread way too much forza 2 hate. Hate to see too many ridiculous nitpicks at a game I'm buying.

"Should forza 2's grass be much taller as a sign of superiority?"

Hahaha, that honestly made me laugh. No further comments though.

LoL, till the end huh?


Seriously Opt, theres no point getting worked up over such comments, comments from certain people in this thread are not even worth reading, let alone considering, some things people have said really make me sick, but then i think whats the point? You know the game WILL be great so do alot of the fans here, just dont bother wasting time on such pointless comments.

p.s. Forzacentral has a great forum for the game you may want to consider joining :)