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Since 7141 Days

I looked over at the Battlenet discussions you were mentioning.

Looks like a lot of people are calling for McCree to get nerfed?
I guess in part it's because his stun works so well on just about every character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpOFZSMZLOo
I don't really agree with most of this video, especially the Ultimate issue

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Tiz

Since 6877 Days

If I had to nerf McCree I'd make the stuns hit box a lot smaller as in, much smaller, or small enough to require some aiming at least.

Then I'd wonder why we allowed him an instant reload on a dodge roll.

Does anyone know an effective method of dealing with Fort Torbjorn when attacking?

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Megido

Since 6537 Days

If you did that McCree would be broken, but in the other direction instead i think. Ie no reason to ever pick him.

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Tiz

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Posted by Megido

If you did that McCree would be broken, but in the other direction instead i think. Ie no reason to ever pick him.

You could still pick him, but you'd actually have to be competent. A lot like Genji who is ass in the wrong hands, but has an impressive disruptive game if someone can play him well.

Genji feels like a good counter for McCree in the meantime, or maybe that is because my Genji has never faced a "really good" McCree.

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GriftGFX

Since 7211 Days

Posted by Tinks

As far as nerfing and buffing what do you think so far? What would you change?

Chest shots. Hanzo's house-sized arrows. But it's a slippery slope. The balance they have right now is pretty good.

Like I said. I want them to tread carefully.

That said: D.Va might get a buff and I'm already a good D.Va. I guess it won't harm me :D

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I wonder how they view some of the healers. Should they be a bit more deadly?
Mercy's might as well not have a pistol and Lucio's gun is a great rapid fire but it lacks punch.
I know it's a trade off for their healing/buff abilities.

Mercy's pistol does more damage than Lucio's at this point. She's already been buffed recently. Mercy is bad at combat but it's also because she's always busy. That's just how she works. They're support characters. Zen already does way more DPS than healing in most games.

They should totally re-buff Symmetra's shields though. They used to be 50 HP. I think 25 HP is basically nothing in this game. Also: Shields and armor stacks? I'm pretty sure only different types stack.

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[quote=Tinks]As far as nerfing and buffing what do you think so far? What would you change?[/quote]

Chest shots. Hanzo's house-sized arrows. But it's a slippery slope. The balance they have right now is pretty good.

Like I said. I want them to tread carefully.

That said: D.Va might get a buff and I'm already a good D.Va. I guess it won't harm me :D

[quote=Tinks]I wonder how they view some of the healers. Should they be a bit more deadly?
Mercy's might as well not have a pistol and Lucio's gun is a great rapid fire but it lacks punch.
I know it's a trade off for their healing/buff abilities.[/quote]

They should totally re-buff Symmetra's shields though. They used to be 50 HP. I think 25 HP is basically nothing in this game. Also: Shields and armor stacks? I'm pretty sure only different types stack.

Tinks

Since 7141 Days

Part of me feels like maybe his stun should just have less of an impact on specific characters that make sense. Because it certainly needs to be great against people like Tracer or Mei

The Torbjorn thing is part of the stacking issue I was talking about on the other page.
You need range like Pharah or Widow to hard counter it

Certainly in Competitive Mode they'll limit a team from stacking all one character. THAT is definitely griefing
I wonder how they'll address it in casual if at all

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GriftGFX

Since 7211 Days

Posted by Tiz

You could still pick him, but you'd actually have to be competent. A lot like Genji who is ass in the wrong hands, but has an impressive disruptive game if someone can play him well.

But why, when there's so little of a relationship between difficulty and reward in Overwatch?

Because it's always high noon, I guess.

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Certainly in Competitive Mode they'll limit a team from stacking all one character. THAT is definitely griefing

Griefing who? Yourself? Because that's just an awful strat for the most part.

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You need range like Pharah or Widow to hard counter it

Pharah eats turrets for breakfast.

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GriftGFX

Since 7211 Days

I have enough credits for a legendary skin but I'm torn between the Indian Pharah skins and mako Roadhog.

This is a semi-viable full-stack. Six soldier's with Xfactor/lvlcap/Jackfrags/Matimi0:

https://youtu.be/RjbpcnQhDP4

Lots of healing.

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Tinks

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It's not really an awful strat in pubs though.

Most people in pubs are a mish mash and you're lucky if they understand the counter system most of the time.

If you have a party of peeps you can easily get around it sure.

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GriftGFX

Since 7211 Days

Eh.. there's MMR in quick play. Experienced players will get matched with one another and people aren't that stupid (most of the time). There aren't many scenarios where a full stack is a very good idea in my opinion. And double stacking is just part of the game. Plus... you were saying that it needs to be a thing in competitive mode. You seem to agree that it's also less likely to work there.

You see a lot of stacking in comp and in early tournaments.. but they're mostly two of something.

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Tinks

Since 7141 Days

Yeah true

I just think entire team single character runs are never aimed at winning a match truly. It's just a griefing situation where people want to take advantage of opponents not being competent or partied up.
It works fairly often I'd wager, and it hurts Blizzard's goal in being noob friendly

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GriftGFX

Since 7211 Days

Six Soldiers is a bit of a oddball. That's a lot of DPS and a lot of healing.

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Tiz

Since 6877 Days

He is fast becoming an annoying character to me because of how easy he is to use. I don't usually get killed by Soldiers as a Genji, but his DPS is an issue sometimes as anyone else.

I faced a team who always picked the same character, they started as 6 Dva's, then when my team countered that, they switched to 6 Soldiers which was just overkill.

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Pharah eats turrets for breakfast.

How do you deal with turrets nestled in the corner? I'm thinking more the Hollywood map than any other.

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Tinks

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Tracer is kind of a good work around sometimes if you don't mind using her ult.
Zap in and drop your bomb for a quit take down.

Zarya is a good tank to solo a turret as well since she has her own shield and can deal some good damage

Snipe it with Widow or Phrah when in view ideally, or McCree & Mei have good distance shots

Those are off the top of my head. If you have someone to work with a reinhardt is ideal protection while you shoot it, ETC

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Megido

Since 6537 Days

Turrets you say? In corners you say? Maybe give Junkrat a go ;)

Not only can you bounce grenades in wothout being in direct line of fore, the mine can also dioslodge even the worst turtles.

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GriftGFX

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Tracer is pretty good at killing turrets even with out her ultimate, but you have to back off if you get into trouble. If you get close before it starts digging in you can nearly kill it before you recall, and quickly finish it off after you recover your health. It's not as easy as picking them off with Pharah when you can get a line of sight and some range, but it definitely works.

She's great at messing with Bastion too. You just have to hit his "head shot" hit-box when he's in turret mode.

Really lots of things can deal with turrets. Position is always his best friend and your worst enemy. But usually Pharah or Junkrat or something.

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Tinks

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Megido

Since 6537 Days

It's almost like...it's a team game! I mean if Reinhardt and Bastion are that much of a problem together, then the fault lies with the team. Not that it's some sort of unholy alliance of death and dfestruction that no mortal can possibly penetrate.

Flank that shit and it's not a problem anymore.

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GriftGFX

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https://youtu.be/uvNUJqAiecg

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GriftGFX

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D.Va sketch by Stanley Artgerm Lau. Can't wait to see it colored.

https://www.facebook.com/Stanleyartgermlau/
http://artgerm.com/

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Megido

Since 6537 Days

Not exactly a lack of fan art available for OW :P

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/LER50
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1Bb2Z
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/wmPEX
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/2dLKA
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/LE4n5
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GE1RB
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/kzNgx
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1B8z2
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/5Yv3w

And that's just a quick skim of the front page, haha :)

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GriftGFX

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Yeah I was just posting the best :P

I wouldn't mind a nice Overwatch poster. I have a silkscreen problem.

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Tinks

Since 7141 Days

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/01/overwatch-t...

Initial balance tweaks.

I'm not sure I get the balance need for Dva really, and the Reaper one seems more like an aesthetic thing that does need to happen.
Curious to see how she changes. They'll make her stronger leading into a battle? Higher armor?
McCree stun scales based on who you're hitting maybe?

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Tinks

Since 7141 Days

Also ban counts coming out
This is awesome!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/02/overwatch-b...
"1,572 people in China alone"

I haven't seen anything weird yet, BUT THANK GOODNESS
My last game purchase was fucking ruined by cheats

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GriftGFX

Since 7211 Days

That IGN post is just about the Battle.net posts that we already discussed. Nothing concrete.

Wait for patch notes. You'll never know exactly what's coming. D.Va is sorta weak. They could improve the survivability of the mech, but most of her HP is already armor. Your head is center mass after all. I don't think she needs a damage buff, but she does have poor range. I have inappropriately claimed the damage medal with her in a bunch of games. Especially on KOTH.

They want to nerf McCree's fanhammer, not the flashbang. They want to preserve his domination of lightweights like Tracer, but make him less effective against tanks. I don't really care since he'll still murder my Tracer, and I regularly kill him when I go up against him w/ Roadhog.

I kinda wish they'd engage in debate with the community a little less. I want them to read the feedback but they don't need to explain themselves on the forums. If they really want to engage the players... maybe an endless beta for patches like CTE.

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My last game purchase was fucking ruined by cheats

I'm super skeptical when people call hacks. Most people can't differentiate high skill from hacks.

My last game was (not really) ruined by baseless hackusations. It gets old.

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That IGN post is just about the Battle.net posts that we already discussed. Nothing concrete.

Wait for patch notes. You'll never know exactly what's coming. D.Va is sorta weak. They could improve the survivability of the mech, but most of her HP is already armor. Your head is center mass after all. I don't think she needs a damage buff, but she does have poor range. I have inappropriately claimed the damage medal with her in a bunch of games. Especially on KOTH.

They want to nerf McCree's fanhammer, not the flashbang. They want to preserve his domination of lightweights like Tracer, but make him less effective against tanks. I don't really care since he'll still murder my Tracer, and I regularly kill him when I go up against him w/ Roadhog.

I kinda wish they'd engage in debate with the community a little less. I want them to read the feedback but they don't need to explain themselves on the forums. If they really want to engage the players... maybe an endless beta for patches like CTE.

[quote=Tinks]My last game purchase was fucking ruined by cheats[/quote]

I'm super skeptical when people call hacks. Most people can't differentiate high skill from hacks.

My last game was (not really) ruined by baseless hackusations. It gets old.

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