mt_sabao
mt_sabao
Since 6265 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Oh yes Very. but they only deliver to the UK by the way!
oh, screw that then :(
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Since 6810 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Not that I didn't expect a 10 from 1up (I mean, come on).. but damn! I've never seen so many 10's tossed at a single game.. and it's still early!
Ocarina of Time, and it was review constrained! :P

anyway, IGN has its review up
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/813/813214p1.html

so it seems like Jade Empire is better according to IGN :)


Everyone NO!
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TheBeagle
TheBeagle
Since 6440 Days
Posted by kenshin2418
Ocarina of Time, and it was review constrained! :P

anyway, IGN has its review up
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/813/813214p1.html

so it seems like Jade Empire is better according to IGN :)


Everyone NO!
I doubt that they even played the whole game. ; )
Seriously cant wait for this game.
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
Acert93
Since 6805 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Not that I didn't expect a 10 from 1up (I mean, come on).. but damn! I've never seen so many 10's tossed at a single game.. and it's still early!
The last game I can remember with sort of praise in the text of the reviews was the original Half-Life -- nearly 10 years ago. ZOoT would be the only other I can think of to get this sort of praise.

Bioshock is on course to be one of the top 3 or 4 games on Gametrailers for all time ranking (not that the numbers mean much... the landslide of critical praise does).

I guess I can stop worrying about this not being a commercial success. The question now: How does Irrational follow this up?
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The fans have spoken. Concerning the graphics of the Halo 3 Beta: "There's so many little effects and things going on that make this game pretty much 2nd only to Gears at the moment."

arcaNe
arcaNe
Since 6193 Days
And now it's 1up's turn. No surprise. This is game is going to rock like no other.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162017

Edit: boulet time please. Didn't see previous posts.
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 6819 Days
How is the press average at IGN listed as 8.9, but if you click on it, all of the reviews are perfect?
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GriftGFX
Since 6834 Days
IGN gave it a 9.7 just to be different :)
Posted by Ronsauce
How is the press average at IGN listed as 8.9, but if you click on it, all of the reviews are perfect?
IGN sucks at math?
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Ronsauce
Ronsauce
Since 6819 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
IGN sucks at math?
The world makes sense again!
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Phaethon360
Since 6680 Days
oxm uk 10 / 10
pc gamer uk 95 / 100
pc zone 96 / 100
eurogamer 10 / 10
gamer.tv 5 / 5
game informer 10 / 10
ap magazine 5 / 5
computers & video games 9.5 / 10
gamepro 10 / 10
1up 10 / 10
xbox world 94 / 100
gamespy 5 / 5
console and gameworld 99 / 100

Score recap.
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Since 6956 Days
Damn.........
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Jin187
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Since 6578 Days
Posted by Acert93
The last game I can remember with sort of praise in the text of the reviews was the original Half-Life -- nearly 10 years ago. ZOoT would be the only other I can think of to get this sort of praise.
Well, lets not go too far, theres been quite a few...

Halo
Halo 2
Oblivion
Half Life 2
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Metroid Prime
Resident evil 4

and many more, but to get reviews in the same region as those games, it really must be something pretty damn special,, i think its time for Blue Dragon to take a back seat in this months vital purchase.
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mt_sabao
mt_sabao
Since 6265 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
oxm uk 10 / 10
pc gamer uk 95 / 100
pc zone 96 / 100
eurogamer 10 / 10
gamer.tv 5 / 5
game informer 10 / 10
ap magazine 5 / 5
computers & video games 9.5 / 10
gamepro 10 / 10
1up 10 / 10
xbox world 94 / 100
gamespy 5 / 5
console and gameworld 99 / 100

Score recap.
Games Radar 10/10
TeamXbox 9.5/10
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mt_sabao
mt_sabao
Since 6265 Days
Oh, yesterday saw a copy sold on ebay (action was closed), for over 100dolares...
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GriftGFX
Since 6834 Days
It's currently at 99% on gamerankings! If it keeps this up, it may outdo Z:OOT. It's already well on it's way to being the highest rated first person game ever. Crazy! Good luck to them.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 6764 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
It's currently at 99% on gamerankings! If it keeps this up, it may outdo Z:OOT. It's already well on it's way to being the highest rated first person game ever. Crazy! Good luck to them.
totally deserved if they do. :)
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Acert93 - Mr. Bad Cop
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Since 6805 Days
Posted by Jin187
Well, lets not go too far, theres been quite a few...
Sorry, games like Halo, Oblivion, WW, etc while exceptional and had a lot of critical praise, also had their fair share of "detractors" with complaints about framerates, design, innovation, chunks of sluggish gameplay, annoyances, etc... Not that these make any of them bad games by any means, only that there were issues. Further, every single game you listed, while exceptional, was following the path of "bigger, better". Some even lacked any significant new innovations, let alone could be labeled something as staggering as, "emergent". There is a difference between a really polished, outstanding game worthy of a 9.5 score and saying something like this:
This is the really bewildering thing about it: it succeeds so stunningly on three different fronts. Not esoteric ones, either, these are the big challenges developers have been struggling to master for decades: narrative, emergence, a sense of place. If another game did just one of these as well as BioShock, it would immediately qualify as a classic. When a game comes along that does all three, we can only be baffled and thankful.
I can think of very, very few games you can say something like this about. ZOoT comes to mind -- to this day the title shines. It is just amazing how Myiamoto translated Zelda into an epic 3D world so rich and rewarding on so many levels. It nailed gameplay, immersion, and sense of scale. It just did stuff other games, at that time, had only dreamed of doing, and did so with amazing clarity of purpose and detail. The original Half-Life, again, received similar praise for just destroying so many boundaries that were strangling FPS at the time. The game was smart, as was the AI. The design and sense of story and pacing were unbelievable.

ZOoT and Half-Life broke down barriers and engaged new eras of design. They brought us to new places that were before unknown, and did so with an amazing sense of clarity, determination, and polish.

As the reviewer said above, when a game nails 1 element design hurdles it is praise worthy. When they starting hitting every checkbox it becomes special.

Games like Oblivion, Metroid, and Halo, while all great, just don't really qualify. They received their due respect in both praise and "number rating" but I will totally disagree with anyone who thinks Oblivion was as significant, meaningful, or as transcendant as ZOoT was in its time.

And I barf on the idea that Metroid Prime, Halo 1/2, or even Half-Life 2, and what they achieved at their releases in terms of design, can be compared to how earth shattering Half-Life 1 was. I actually like HL2 better than HL1, but in terms of what it did when it did it, HL1 stands out as a major milestone in the industry in regards to game design... and that isn't even counting the "little" thing known as Counterstrike... or Team Fortress... or Day of Defeat...
and many more, but to get reviews in the same region as those games
Based on what reviewers are saying (disregarding any irrelevant point system) I don't think any of the games you listed received the same level of praise, awe, and utter shock & joy from many various professional reviewers as we are hearing about Bioshock.

Not that it is a contest -- great games are great games -- but reading reviews of Oblivion or HL2 and hearing a lot about polish and incrimentally progressing the genre and industry in a positive direction is different from turning the industry on its head.

Which seems to be the consensus about Bioshock. It is challenging how games are perceived and designed. Very few games do that.

You may disagree, but I am reading things in many reviews I haven't heard about any game in many years. The praise about Bioshock is going beyond polish, excellent balance, and a couple wrinkles added to the fold.
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PlumbDrumb - Still drinking
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Since 6828 Days
I don't remember the PC version of UT getting less than a 9 anywhere, and usually it was around a 9.5.
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Jin187
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There is a difference between a really polished, outstanding game worthy of a 9.5 score and saying something like this:
To be honest, i could find very similar quotes in reviews of each of those games i mentioned and all were worthy of 9.5+ scores which they all recieved on many occasions.

Well i have disagree with most things you've said there but hey, each to their own i guess.
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Inflatable
Inflatable
Since 7472 Days
A 10 for a videogame is BS.. No game is a 10, because there's always something lacking and/or wrong with it..

The Xbox 360 Bioshock demo I played had no playershadow, and where's the multiplayer? Things that don't make it a 10 imho.. 9-9.5 sounds more realistic for even the best games arround..

Still waiting for the PC demo..
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TheBeagle
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You would take points off for a lack of a shadow ? Also this to me is a game that I am comfortable buying without multiplayer. Not every game needs it.
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Isomac
Isomac
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I wouldn't lower score because of graphics and not all games need MP. I agree that 10 is too much for any game.

I personally would want to get rid of all scores from reviews... Just like read it and then think if it is good.
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Inflatable
Inflatable
Since 7472 Days
Posted by TheBeagle
You would take points off for a lack of a shadow?
Yes, because a game with graphics like this should show a playershadow, it's just silly it's not there in a next-gen UE3 game.. And I'm happy to play it without MP aswell, but they could easily have built it in, the game suits MP very well I think.. It would have extended the replayability and value a lot, making the game even better then it already is.. The days of SP-only games are over, especially for FPS..

If you review a game you should be honest and critical, not jump on the hype bandwagon and give it a 10 just because you love the game so much you're willing to overlook a few negative points.. A 10 means perfect, and Bioshock is not perfect (for not having a playershadow alone)..

Just a matter of opinion I guess.. It's without a doubt videogames don't come much better then Bioshock, I totally agree.. But it's just not a 10.. You start with a 10, and then start to deduct point for all the negative things you find.. That's how a good reviewer should work imho..

No playershadow if possible (-0.2)
No multiplayer if possible (-0.1)

Makes 9.7 (without me having played the full game and possibly finding other negative things).. Still a pretty damn good score sofar..
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Inflatable
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To add to that, I didn't deduct any points for gameplay and controls as it's perfect imho.. But I would also deduct -0.1 points for the bit inspireless minigame that's used for the hacking.. Even the developers probably knew it was a bit inspireless because they let you skip it with money.. So 9.6 sofar for Bioshock from me (based on the Xbox 360 demo which I played thru 3 times)..

To compare a game Like Gears of War I would deduct 0.4 maybe even 0.5 points for gameplay alone as it's good but repetative in that game (that also got rated a 9+ by most).. Bioshock's gameplay is much deeper with all the powers and weapons you can use to beat a room (as they call it) in different ways.. But Gears of War has multiplayer, so wins 0.1 points there on Bioshock.. And then you have story and value (read: lenght) etc, but you have to play the full game to judge that.. Gears of War's SP value wasn't that high, probably another -0.4 to -0.5 points.. Co-op is a plus again though (another slight minus for Bioshock I guess)..

Reviewing videogames is interessting but also complicated I think..
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lol at your new word - inspireless.

I think you're looking for "uninspired"

:D
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