Bad Company 2

Since 6589 Days

Posted by Nietzsche

I agree the M60 and CG are retard-strong. But I don't play a game to keep my KDR as high as possible. I don't give a shit about stats, I just use guns that feel good and are fun to use. The M16 is really deadly, but more importantly for me, it just FEELS very fun and satisfying to use/fire. Same goes for some of the less deadly weapons, I use them often just b/c they are FUN to use, even if it means I die more than I would with the M60.

It's fun to play to win and do well, but I'll never understand those who just find the best weapon in the game and stick to it. How they don't get sick of the game playing it that way I will never understand.

Thats exactly how I feel. I do maintain a decent KDR though(between 1.25 and 2.5 most of the time. Sometimes a little more or less). I DO like the PP-2000. That think jacks people up, but I run out of ammo pretty fast. THe AK-74U is sweet as well. I've been the engineer a lot recently, but I switch up classes constantly...

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[quote=Nietzsche]I agree the M60 and CG are retard-strong. But I don't play a game to keep my KDR as high as possible. I don't give a shit about stats, I just use guns that feel good and are fun to use. The M16 is really deadly, but more importantly for me, it just FEELS very fun and satisfying to use/fire. Same goes for some of the less deadly weapons, I use them often just b/c they are FUN to use, even if it means I die more than I would with the M60.

It's fun to play to win and do well, but I'll never understand those who just find the best weapon in the game and stick to it. How they don't get sick of the game playing it that way I will never understand.[/quote]
Thats exactly how I feel.  I do maintain a decent KDR though(between 1.25 and 2.5 most of the time.  Sometimes a little more or less).  I DO like the PP-2000.  That think jacks people up, but I run out of ammo pretty fast.  THe AK-74U is sweet as well.  I've been the engineer a lot recently, but I switch up classes constantly...

Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

Posted by Tinks

Yeah on console I think the damage is different. No one really uses the noob tube either because of the controls or the damage scale, not sure. You can hit people at their feet with noob tubes and they don't do anything. They're also virtually useless on tanks and take several to take them down.

Well, they're an anti-infantry weapon. They made them weak against armor for a reason. Their best use is probably to take out walls and the baddies behind them, but they're really easy to aim on the PC. You can get close range kills with them too, you just have to hit the enemy directly and get an impact kill. There's a timer that limits the detonation at close range. It's a safety feature. I've heard that M203's actually use something simular in real life, but I'm not sure. I watched a friend play the 360 version a little the other night, and I did notice that his games were far more overrun with medics than I'm used to seeing on the PC, so maybe that's why we seem to be experiencing something different.

Don't aim at the feet at close range. It's not supposed to work.

Posted by Doomsong83

Squad deathmach on PC sometimes turns into a noob tube fest.

Don't forget Carl! The Gustav + 8 rockets = domination.

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[quote=Tinks]Yeah on console I think the damage is different. No one really uses the noob tube either because of the controls or the damage scale, not sure. You can hit people at their feet with noob tubes and they don't do anything. They're also virtually useless on tanks and take several to take them down.[/quote]

Well, they're an anti-infantry weapon. They made them weak against armor for a reason. Their best use is probably to take out walls and the baddies behind them, but they're [i]really[/i] easy to aim on the PC. You can get close range kills with them too, you just have to hit the enemy directly and get an impact kill. There's a timer that limits the detonation at close range. It's a safety feature. I've heard that M203's actually use something simular in real life, but I'm not sure. I watched a friend play the 360 version a little the other night, and I did notice that his games were [i]far more[/i] overrun with medics than I'm used to seeing on the PC, so maybe that's why we seem to be experiencing something different.

Don't aim at the feet at close range. It's not supposed to work.

[quote=Doomsong83]
Squad deathmach on PC sometimes turns into a noob tube fest.[/quote]

Don't forget Carl! The Gustav + 8 rockets = domination.

Doomsong83

Since 5241 Days

Yeah I can't forget that lol I use it all the friggin time!

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6333 Days

This is how you properly fly a heli: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi2PC8RcSMU&feature...

This man knows his stuff. Watch the other tutorials if you want to get good at flying. The way he was diving on the tank at 0:47-1:00 is exactly how I roll on that map. So much fun and so satisfying.

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GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

There's another good youtube video out there explaining how hellfire missiles work on the attack helos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7h2VZKMxRY

People need to know this stuff.

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6333 Days

Hellfire missiles are impractical. I like using the increased damage perk on the attack heli. As the guy in the vid says, it means you need lesser strafes on tanks, thus reducing the time you get exposed to enemy fire. I usually do 2-3 strafes until it dies, it's also way more effective against infantry. Staying alive is of highest priority, and mobility is the biggest strength of the heli.

I love the M416, btw. My K/D ratio started climbing again after I got it unlocked. The AN-94 doesn't fit me at all though and I doubt the M16 will yield any better results.

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Jin187

Since 6575 Days

Posted by Viginti_Tres

I love the M416, btw. My K/D ratio started climbing again after I got it unlocked. The AN-94 doesn't fit me at all though and I doubt the M16 will yield any better results.

The AN-94 is the perfect weapon for me, i love my burst fire weapons and its very accurate with pretty decent damage. The M16 is a close second, it would be first but theres just a little too much recoil on it for my liking.

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GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

The AN-94 does great damage. It's beastly with magnum ammo. The M-16 is nice too, but the AN-94 is the best burst fire weapon imo (and from what I've seen, on paper).

Posted by Viginti_Tres

Hellfire missiles are impractical. I like using the increased damage perk on the attack heli. As the guy in the vid says, it means you need lesser strafes on tanks, thus reducing the time you get exposed to enemy fire. I usually do 2-3 strafes until it dies, it's also way more effective against infantry. Staying alive is of highest priority, and mobility is the biggest strength of the heli.

I love the M416, btw. My K/D ratio started climbing again after I got it unlocked. The AN-94 doesn't fit me at all though and I doubt the M16 will yield any better results.

Hellfire is far from impractical under the right circumstances. They do a ridiculous amount of damage to armor. The gunner's tracer takes a lot of skill to put it into practice, but it's ridiculously effective. Plus, your gunner doesn't need to paint targets, infantry can do it too. A painted target will go down in one pass every single time with a hellfire. I have to disagree. It makes the helo far more effective if it is put to proper use. Your gunner is already deadly effective against infantry, so you should only ever have to play clean up on infantry targets anyway.

It's sorta sad that there is only really one map where you can have some actual air battles, but I would only want to use the extended damage perk if I didn't have a good gunner, or if I didn't know I had infantry on the ground painting targets for me. The tracer dart pistol is wildly under used, but I can't say I really blame people. Having to give up your 1911 for it is pretty rough. I don't even use it as engineer, since it's easy enough to hit targets with the CG (or RPG-7) without it, and it's just as easy to shoot down helos as it is to hit them with tracer darts in the first place.

Shooting down attack helos with the CG is just a joy. It's maybe my favorite thing ever.

I'll agree with you 100% on the M416 though. That gun is awesome. The XM8 is pretty close, but I prefer the more stable M416. Plus it has the best iron sights of any assault rifle, which frees up great perks like 2x grenades (or lightweight, or whatever)!

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The AN-94 does [i]great[/i] damage. It's beastly with magnum ammo. The M-16 is nice too, but the AN-94 is the best burst fire weapon imo (and from what I've seen, on paper).

[quote=Viginti_Tres]Hellfire missiles are impractical. I like using the increased damage perk on the attack heli. As the guy in the vid says, it means you need lesser strafes on tanks, thus reducing the time you get exposed to enemy fire. I usually do 2-3 strafes until it dies, it's also way more effective against infantry. Staying alive is of highest priority, and mobility is the biggest strength of the heli.

I love the M416, btw. My K/D ratio started climbing again after I got it unlocked. The AN-94 doesn't fit me at all though and I doubt the M16 will yield any better results.[/quote]

Hellfire is far from impractical under the right circumstances. They do a ridiculous amount of damage to armor. The gunner's tracer takes a lot of skill to put it into practice, but it's ridiculously effective. Plus, your gunner doesn't need to paint targets, infantry can do it too. A painted target will go down in one pass every single time with a hellfire. I have to disagree. It makes the helo far more effective if it is put to proper use. Your gunner is already deadly effective against infantry, so you should only ever have to play clean up on infantry targets anyway.

It's sorta sad that there is only really one map where you can have some actual air battles, but I would only want to use the extended damage perk if I didn't have a good gunner, or if I didn't know I had infantry on the ground painting targets for me. The tracer dart pistol is wildly under used, but I can't say I really blame people. Having to give up your 1911 for it is pretty rough. I don't even use it as engineer, since it's easy enough to hit targets with the CG (or RPG-7) without it, and it's just as easy to shoot down helos as it is to hit them with tracer darts in the first place.

Shooting down attack helos with the CG is just a joy. It's maybe my favorite thing ever.

I'll agree with you 100% on the M416 though. That gun is awesome. The XM8 is pretty close, but I prefer the more stable M416. Plus it has the best iron sights of any assault rifle, which frees up great perks like 2x grenades (or lightweight, or whatever)!

Frozpot

Since 6589 Days

Yeah, I just discovered the awesomeness of the M416. I have almost every class unlocked except the sniper. Also, I still don't have the C4 option for the engineer, when do you get it? Definitely agree about taking down helos. I always jump for joy when one goes down no matter how, but when it's me and I get the CG on it, it's damn satisfying, not to mention relieving. Helos and Snipers- I hate them. They also need to fix it so they can't ram me with the damn helo without it blowing up either, that's ridiculous. ..

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

There is no C4 option for engis, only assault and recon.

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6333 Days

Well lets agree to disagree. I'll only say that against a good team with 2-3 tanks shooting at you constantly you don't want to hover with your heli for one second. Of course I'm never on a team that is smart enough to do that... :(

There is some news on the patch front:

Our current plan is to allow Steam to test the patch tonight and all being well we will look to release R7 client and R10 servers on Wednesday morning European time. I'll update more on that later once the details are finalised.

We aren't going to tell you what weapon balance tweaks we have done, we want your unbiased views on the changes before we detail what has changed.

Good decision on their part. Seems like the changes are only minor, which is good.

The full list of changes is available here.

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6333 Days

This should be rather interesting for you Grift (any PC player really): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZPhcwkSw0

I've seen that a few times on consoles, too. Couldn't hit a standing target at 5m.

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Frozpot

Since 6589 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

There is no C4 option for engis, only assault and recon.

Woah, I didn't even think to look for it for Assault! Thanks...

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Tinks

Since 6760 Days

Posted by Viginti_Tres

I hope that list is for consoles too...

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GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

It's clearly not, but I'm sure you'll get some kind of change log soon. You're definitely getting a patch soon. As soon as Microsoft lets them patch it, at least.

Posted by Viginti_Tres

This should be rather interesting for you Grift (any PC player really): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZPhcwkSw0

I've seen that a few times on consoles, too. Couldn't hit a standing target at 5m.

I'm a little hesitant to make any tweaks that are specific to server latency, since I tend to play on a variety of servers.

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Jin187

Since 6575 Days

The knifing needs to be patched in this game, its so clunky and so random. Its incredibly frustrating how easy it is to miss!

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GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

The Dr. Pepper stuff comes out on the 360 tomorrow, and there's a new map (layout) pack too. Squad DM and Squad Rush though, so don't get too excited! I'm still pretty happy about a new DM map though. I think Squad Deathmatch is a little underrated, it's actually a lot of fun when you're playing with other people. Nelson Bay should be a good addition to the game mode. Moar!

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Isomac

Since 6598 Days

The new server browser is a lot better than the old one.

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Tinks

Since 6760 Days

Posted by Jin187

The knifing needs to be patched in this game, its so clunky and so random. Its incredibly frustrating how easy it is to miss!

The platinum star I have for my knife says otherwise :)

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GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

Posted by Tinks

The platinum star I have for my knife says otherwise :)

I have a platinum star and then some with the knife and still think it's pretty shady.

Posted by Isomac

The new server browser is a lot better than the old one.

Sooo much better. The M60 definitely feels a little different but it's still good, and the 1911 too, though I wish they would have just left it alone. Seems harder to hip-fire it at super long range targets. Overall I think everything feels pretty okay. There's a slight delay when I hit enter game now, but if they fix that I'll be pretty happy with how this shaped up so far.

I just spent some time with slugs and the 870. I take back everything I said about slugs. Holy shit are they fun.

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Isomac

Since 6598 Days

How should you use the 12x zoom? There is so many ranges where you see dudes and I think it's impossible to know what dot or what ever to use for aiming. I mean there was dude quite close to me, maybe 50 meters. He didn't move (he was aiming (lol) with the protube) and I tried to shoot him in the head 3 times. None of the bullets hit him at all... Then I said fuck this and just used pistol. I also get much better results with the red dot.

At least the game saves your weapon selections now.

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GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

I don't use 12x zoom. That would require me to snipe.

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Frozpot

Since 6589 Days

Posted by Isomac

How should you use the 12x zoom? There is so many ranges where you see dudes and I think it's impossible to know what dot or what ever to use for aiming. I mean there was dude quite close to me, maybe 50 meters. He didn't move (he was aiming (lol) with the protube) and I tried to shoot him in the head 3 times. None of the bullets hit him at all... Then I said fuck this and just used pistol. I also get much better results with the red dot.

At least the game saves your weapon selections now.

Until you get the hang of it, you kind of have to take a test shot and see how high/low you are hitting. I think it depends on the gun too. They can get pretty far out before you get to the second notch down. Just watch where your bullets are landing...

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GriftGFX

Since 6831 Days

The patch is pretty nice, but there's some kind of weird spawn lag going on now when you click enter game. They really need to fix that.

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Viginti_Tres

Since 6333 Days

God damn, BC2 is so frustrating with a garbage squad. Yesterday no one cared to repair my heli while I manoeuvred it dangerously close to them and I had to fly it to the bitter end (was awesome though, I was on like 5% for several minutes taking out 3-4 tanks and 3 helis). This happened again in a tank where the engineer refused to repair me while he stood directly beside me.

Today I land my heli for repairs, my useless gunner - who was only good for stealing my kills anyway - doesn't have the engineer kit and as I step out he takes off with it, spins upside down and crashes.

tl/dr: Playing BC2 without friends is fucking horrible.

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