Halo 4 Thread.

Since 6657 Days

Split-screen SP co- op is the only reason i'll even be playing this game. So i'd appreciate it staying tbh.

They've gone a bit crazy with the specularity, contrast and bloom. But other then that it looks pretty decent visually. Nice DOF.

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Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

Yea, people like it, I suppose. Wish those features would die lol, at least until stronger consoles are out. But then maybe I'll be so impressed by what is achieved on the next consoles, that I then find myself in the exact same position, saying to get rid of them again to make the games look even more impressive haha :) Neverending cycle, so I may as well learn to live with it.

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Sath

Since 7120 Days

There is no reason to remove a OPTION Optimus.

ALOT of people love co-op splitscreens, in SP AND in MP, I am one of them.

They should definitely keep the 2 player splitscreen in single player, and if they can, throw in some horde mode of some sort, kind of like Halo Reach, I loved that.
Had fun just going in with my cousin and just play until we died in the game, was fun.

Posted by KORNdog

They've gone a bit crazy with the specularity, contrast and bloom. But other then that it looks pretty decent visually. Nice DOF.

I played and finished Syndicate, now those effects are definitely the defining "gone crazy". You cant see anything much when the bloom gets in your view of aim.
Even Killzone 3 has this.

Yes its very pretty and all in motion and screenshots, but interms of gameplay, it can come in the way and get annoying.

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volvicstraw

Since 5260 Days

Holy shit that video and all i'm reading has my so hyped! 343i looks like they might outdo Bungie...

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KORNdog

Since 6657 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Yea, people like it, I suppose. Wish those features would die lol, at least until stronger consoles are out. But then maybe I'll be so impressed by what is achieved on the next consoles, that I then find myself in the exact same position, saying to get rid of them again to make the games look even more impressive haha :) Neverending cycle, so I may as well learn to live with it.

I've honestly never seen a split screen game hindering the quality of visuals in the single player. I mean. Does gears of war 3 look worse because it has split screen co-op? No. It looks great. Does it look worse IN split screen co-op. yes. That was the case in all halo games, and all split screen games i've played. When you are IN split screen co-op you tend to get lower poly models, lower res textures, sometimes lower resolution in general, harsher LOD. Some visual niceties turned off. But in SP all those elements are as good as they can be. If anything, i'm more impressed with a developer who has an engine so optimised and so scalable, that they can get a game running 4 player split screen at all. More options is never a bad thing imo. I mean, i've never been a fan of horde/survival/firefight modes, but i wouldnt wish it away since a lot of people love it.

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[quote=Optimusv2]Yea, people like it, I suppose. Wish those features would die lol, at least until stronger consoles are out. But then maybe I'll be so impressed by what is achieved on the next consoles, that I then find myself in the exact same position, saying to get rid of them again to make the games look even more impressive haha :) Neverending cycle, so I may as well learn to live with it.[/quote]

I've honestly never seen a split screen game hindering the quality of visuals in the single player. I mean. Does gears of war 3 look worse because it has split screen co-op? No. It looks great. Does it look worse IN split screen co-op. yes. That was the case in all halo games, and all split screen games i've played. When you are IN split screen co-op you tend to get lower poly models, lower res textures, sometimes lower resolution in general, harsher LOD. Some visual niceties turned off. But in SP all those elements are as good as they can be. If anything, i'm more impressed with a developer who has an engine so optimised and so scalable, that they can get a game running 4 player split screen at all. More options is never a bad thing imo. I mean, i've never been a fan of horde/survival/firefight modes, but i wouldnt wish it away since a lot of people love it.

Sath

Since 7120 Days

KORN you never seen it? I experienced it lol

COD Black Ops, MW3, Resistance 2 and Resistance 3 (incredibly massive lag during online splitscreen compared to solo play in MP), Halo Reach.

Those are the only ones I tried that had them. Graphics become "crappier" than what the crap visuals are in SP.

Now Gears of War 2 and 3, I didnt notice any change which is great, neither in Killzone 3.

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Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

There are times when the game itself scales properly from a visual standpoint, but I hate to think that tradeoffs are made in what actually happens during gameplay from a combat or spectacle standpoint because they have to account for the fact that this stuff needs to happen and be seen by everyone in coop play and even split screen play as well. I just hope they go for broke on the pure singleplayer experience, and then tone everything else down for the other modes as a result, as opposed to perhaps limiting singleplayer to maintain some aura of consistency across the different modes of play. I felt Bungie sacrificed a lot because of other modes, so I'm hoping 343 is different.

I'd have to say that gears is one of the core exceptions that I've seen.

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Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

sanex

Since 5441 Days

Holy Fuck!! that video look insane! and the info i'm reading on the forums!, well i am officially hyped again for Halo4 :)

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GriftGFX

Since 7253 Days

Posted by Sath

KORN you never seen it? I experienced it lol

That's not what KORNdog said. He said that he doesn't think the quality of SOLO play is affected by splitscreen. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I've always thought Optimus blew this issue way out of proportion.

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KORNdog

Since 6657 Days

Posted by Sath

KORN you never seen it? I experienced it lol

COD Black Ops, MW3, Resistance 2 and Resistance 3 (incredibly massive lag during online splitscreen compared to solo play in MP), Halo Reach.

Those are the only ones I tried that had them. Graphics become "crappier" than what the crap visuals are in SP.

Now Gears of War 2 and 3, I didnt notice any change which is great, neither in Killzone 3.

I know games are worse in split screen. I said that. What i have never seen is a SP game looking worse just because there is a split screen mode. Every game i've played split-screen has taken a hit in one area or more to accomodate the split-screen, that's obvious, even the better examples have been downgraded. But those hits are exclusive TO split-screen. It's not like killzone 3 or gears of war, or motorstorm, or blur etc have had their SP IQ suffer due to a completely seperate mode of play. Why would any developer tone down the visuals of an entire game just to accomodate split-screen? It doesnt happen. At least not from my experience.

It's like expecting the MP component of a game (which is often much worse looking), to effect the visuals of the SP in some way. Each mode tends to be exclusive of one another. Uncharted 3s co-op and MP look much worse then the SP. but i've never once looked at the SP and thought to myself "i wish they never bothered with co-op or MP because it's clearly impacted the look of the SP" the game looks stunning even with co-op and MP. I can't imagine halo is going to buck their own trend by making their SP look like ass just because they have split-screen. I could be wrong, but i doubt it.

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[quote=Sath]KORN you never seen it? I experienced it lol

COD Black Ops, MW3, Resistance 2 and Resistance 3 (incredibly massive lag during online splitscreen compared to solo play in MP), Halo Reach.

Those are the only ones I tried that had them. Graphics become "crappier" than what the crap visuals are in SP.

Now Gears of War 2 and 3, I didnt notice any change which is great, neither in Killzone 3.[/quote]

I know games are worse in split screen. I said that. What i have never seen is a SP game looking worse just because there is a split screen mode. Every game i've played split-screen has taken a hit in one area or more to accomodate the split-screen, that's obvious, even the better examples have been downgraded. But those hits are exclusive TO split-screen. It's not like killzone 3 or gears of war, or motorstorm, or blur etc have had their SP IQ suffer due to a completely seperate mode of play. Why would any developer tone down the visuals of an entire game just to accomodate split-screen? It doesnt happen. At least not from my experience.

It's like expecting the MP component of a game (which is often much worse looking), to effect the visuals of the SP in some way. Each mode tends to be exclusive of one another. Uncharted 3s co-op and MP look much worse then the SP. but i've never once looked at the SP and thought to myself "i wish they never bothered with co-op or MP because it's clearly impacted the look of the SP" the game looks stunning even with co-op and MP. I can't imagine halo is going to buck their own trend by making their SP look like ass just because they have split-screen. I could be wrong, but i doubt it.

Sath

Since 7120 Days

Okay okay, my bad for misreading lol.

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fabreezwait

Since 5433 Days

Posted by sanex

Holy Fuck!! that video look insane! and the info i'm reading on the forums!, well i am officially hyped again for Halo4 :)

Join the club :)

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Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

That's not what KORNdog said. He said that he doesn't think the quality of SOLO play is affected by splitscreen. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I've always thought Optimus blew this issue way out of proportion.

Yea, I'd probably have to agree with you even though it's about me. I'm just generally opposed to the idea of splitscreen play as it pertains to a major singleplayer component of any first person shooter. I hate compromises in first person shooter titles, and the general consensus, at least in the console space, is that split screen comes at a not so insignificant cost. The more impressive the game itself is, the bigger the cost. And while I'll admit that co-op is pretty damn nice, if we're going to go as far as 4, I wouldn't mind some dedicated servers or something at least, as unlikely as that is. :)

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Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

sanex

Since 5441 Days

sweet mary love it!!

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GriftGFX

Since 7253 Days

The big news for Halo online fans is that 343 has decided to include game-changing unlocks in return for level progression, a similar system to that found in Call of Duty, for example.

Well that fuckin' stinks.

Also, no bloom. Meh. I was more excited before I noticed that.

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Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

No need to worry Grift, Optimus to the rescue!

I've responded to it a couple of times. There aren't "perks" in the game as being described here. And classic Halo is still there. But there are things we will be rolling out soon to put all of this discussion in a much better perspective and I suspect calm frayed nerves.

Straight from 343 dev.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3575637...

I'm surprised Perks were even mentioned without even a follow up. That will only serve to get people riled up. Although you probably can't control everything that's said.

We didn't mention them. That's why I put it in quotes. That term was coined by someone else to interpret stuff they saw in the UI. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and to be expected during announce fervor. And yes, it's partly our fault since we re rolling out more information about this stuff at a later time.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3575762...

I think your Halo is safe from the mean perks. They probably just have something else in mind, and journalists jumped to conclusions because it wasn't fully revealed or explained.

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No need to worry Grift, Optimus to the rescue!

[quote]I've responded to it a couple of times. There aren't "perks" in the game as being described here. And classic Halo is still there. But there are things we will be rolling out soon to put all of this discussion in a much better perspective and I suspect calm frayed nerves.[/quote]

Straight from 343 dev.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35756374&postcount=1032

[quote]I'm surprised Perks were even mentioned without even a follow up. That will only serve to get people riled up. Although you probably can't control everything that's said.[/quote]

[quote]We didn't mention them. That's why I put it in quotes. That term was coined by someone else to interpret stuff they saw in the UI. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and to be expected during announce fervor. And yes, it's partly our fault since we re rolling out more information about this stuff at a later time. [/quote]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35757621&postcount=1081

I think your Halo is safe from the mean perks. They probably just have something else in mind, and journalists jumped to conclusions because it wasn't fully revealed or explained.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

Posted by sanex

sweet mary love it!!

HALF LIFE 2, EAT YOUR HEART OUT

Total joke meant to get a reaction out of people who will find that statement a bit bizarre. Even I don't agree with it hehe

Still, not too bad for a halo title. In some ways, Bungie moving on will probably be a good thing for the franchise. 343 may approach the game from an angle that Bungie didn't previously, and something new is always good. For one, I especially love the sound of the huge focus on making you feel like a big, bad super soldier, doing all these crazy athletic things.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Sath

Since 7120 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

I especially love the sound of the huge focus on making you feel like a big, bad super soldier, doing all these crazy athletic things.

Lets see if they can beat Crysis 2 (not big though, thank god) on that department, I for one, doubt it. Especially the "crazy athletic" part. If they do it, it will all be in cutscenes, usually the case.

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GriftGFX

Since 7253 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

No need to worry Grift, Optimus to the rescue!

Any progression that has a direct impact on gameplay is a departure from Halo and unwelcome by me.

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7197 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Personally, I really want 343 to do away with any semblance of SP splitscreen play, and to go no further than 2 player co-op. Please throw this 4 player co-op garbage out the window where it belongs. And to be completely honest, I would prefer no co-op at all for the SP campaign. Singleplayer, singleplayer, singleplayer. Stop trying so hard to turn an aspect of the game meant to be played and enjoyed by a single person, or by individuals watching as a single person plays, into some house party style lovefest. Unless I'm underestimating the skill at 343 or the horsepower of the xbox 360, I just don't believe anything we're looking at in the more awesome video segments or pictures and gifs will be possible if they don't abandon all this other, in my view, useless crap.

I think it holds back how fantastic the SP experience can be. How it can look, how it can play, the risks the developer can take, everything. At least it certainly does with the available power of the 360. I've never found features like this to be some checkbox set of features that sends the games flying off the shelves.

Please leave all this play with your friend and people you don't know crap for the multiplayer for once, please!! I'm sure that's just my opinion, however. Not many will agree with me on this :)

dont like those options

DONT BLOODY USE THEM!

Posted by Optimusv2

And 343 confirmed native 720p for the game. The chief looks like a proper supersoldier now :)

about bloody time lol

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[quote=Optimusv2]Personally, I really want 343 to do away with any semblance of SP splitscreen play, and to go no further than 2 player co-op. Please throw this 4 player co-op garbage out the window where it belongs. And to be completely honest, I would prefer no co-op at all for the SP campaign. Singleplayer, singleplayer, singleplayer. Stop trying so hard to turn an aspect of the game meant to be played and enjoyed by a single person, or by individuals watching as a single person plays, into some house party style lovefest. Unless I'm underestimating the skill at 343 or the horsepower of the xbox 360, I just don't believe anything we're looking at in the more awesome video segments or pictures and gifs will be possible if they don't abandon all this other, in my view, useless crap.

I think it holds back how fantastic the SP experience can be. How it can look, how it can play, the risks the developer can take, everything. At least it certainly does with the available power of the 360. I've never found features like this to be some checkbox set of features that sends the games flying off the shelves.

Please leave all this play with your friend and people you don't know crap for the multiplayer for once, please!! I'm sure that's just my opinion, however. Not many will agree with me on this :)[/quote]
dont like those options

DONT BLOODY USE THEM!

[quote=Optimusv2]And 343 confirmed native 720p for the game. The chief looks like a proper supersoldier now :)[/quote]

about bloody time lol

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Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

Yep, native 720p with AA, and it won't be crappy Temporal Antialiasing.

They also confirmed that spikey haired characters with lots of zippers will feature pretty prominently in Halo 4. So this game really will be the best of both worlds.

I'm obviously joking about the spikey haired characters :(, but the 720p native and AA stuff is 100% confirmed by devs themselves.

Grift, with regards to gameplay progression, I suspect they will only have a specific playlists for people who care about the progression aspects of the game. I suspect there will be game modes where everybody starts off on the same playing field. After all, hasn't Halo sorta become known for its options over the years?

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

LEBATO

Since 7375 Days

Posted by sanex

sweet mary love it!!

I'll believe this when I see it. Halo always had some pathetic faces and face animations, if 343 can help in this area, I'd take it, but that gif right there is meaningless until I see it in action for real--too many times I've seen stuff like that for other games which just turn out to be crap once really implemented.

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szaromir

Since 7010 Days

Posted by LEBATO

I'll believe this when I see it. Halo always had some pathetic faces and face animations, if 343 can help in this area, I'd take it, but that gif right there is meaningless until I see it in action for real--too many times I've seen stuff like that for other games which just turn out to be crap once really implemented.

I think they'll be able to implement that sort of facial animation into the game. However, how it all meshes together with eye movement (they're dead still in the GIF), head and full body behaviour in the final scene is anyone's games. The end result might be fairly realistic or fall flat on its face in terms believability.

Overall I'm excited about H4 but I'd hoped they'd reveal the game with bigger bang - properly edited single player trailer, longer MP footage etc. People should watch the first Skyrim gameplay trailer to learn how you show your game to the public.

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"That just happened 'cause that was awesome" - Randy Pitchford, Gearbox

Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

Posted by LEBATO

I'll believe this when I see it. Halo always had some pathetic faces and face animations, if 343 can help in this area, I'd take it, but that gif right there is meaningless until I see it in action for real--too many times I've seen stuff like that for other games which just turn out to be crap once really implemented.

A fair criticism, indeed. Let's see how it gets implemented first. I'm also very, very skeptical about the graphics that I'm witnessing in some of these videos. Seems a bit too good to be true, especially once you consider that people have to actually play, as opposed to just look at this thing. If it looks like this when we're playing it, then this will indeed be gaming heaven. It's funny that this game, from the SP glimpses anyway, seems to be the game that actually finally looks closest to the E3 2006 Halo 3 teaser video.

I'm also so damn happy to hear of the focus being placed on hearing the proper and expected footsteps of this behemoth of a super soldier.

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[quote=LEBATO]
I'll believe this when I see it.  Halo always had some pathetic faces and face animations, if 343 can help in this area, I'd take it, but that gif right there is meaningless until I see it in action for real--too many times I've seen stuff like that for other games which just turn out to be crap once really implemented.[/quote]

A fair criticism, indeed. Let's see how it gets implemented first. I'm also very, very skeptical about the graphics that I'm witnessing in some of these videos. Seems a bit too good to be true, especially once you consider that people have to actually play, as opposed to just look at this thing. If it looks like this when we're playing it, then this will indeed be gaming heaven. It's funny that this game, from the SP glimpses anyway, seems to be the game that actually finally looks closest to the E3 2006 Halo 3 teaser video.

I'm also so damn happy to hear of the focus being placed on hearing the proper and expected footsteps of this behemoth of a super soldier.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Optimusv2

Since 7146 Days

You know, I actually wouldn't mind some pretty damn longer than average load times for this game, if it meant they can give us the kind of sp visuals that I'm seeing in some of these shots. They can certainly distract us with something cool in between, possibly come cool Halo universe information or something of that sort, while the game textures and whatever else load in the background.

Sometimes I feel that devs have become so focused on being seamless and doing as many things as they feel possible to make us not take notice of the fact that it's a game, that they sometimes themselves forget that, at the end of the day, this is still a videogame, and people aren't exactly opposed to things that make that obvious.

For folks interested in the music that was being played in that vidoc... so friggin epic!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T06r7QEbAjQ&feature...

This is obviously not the best quality, but it sounds amazing. 343 has a kojima productions guy on board for the music, and I definitely hear the metal gear influence, but it's also unmistakably Halo in overall feel. I'm not sure if the kojima productions guy had anything to do with this, but whoever their composer is, the guy is just amazing.

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You know, I actually wouldn't mind some pretty damn longer than average load times for this game, if it meant they can give us the kind of sp visuals that I'm seeing in some of these shots. They can certainly distract us with something cool in between, possibly come cool Halo universe information or something of that sort, while the game textures and whatever else load in the background.

Sometimes I feel that devs have become so focused on being seamless and doing as many things as they feel possible to make us not take notice of the fact that it's a game, that they sometimes themselves forget that, at the end of the day, this is still a videogame, and people aren't exactly opposed to things that make that obvious.

For folks interested in the music that was being played in that vidoc... so friggin epic!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T06r7QEbAjQ&feature=related

This is obviously not the best quality, but it sounds amazing. 343 has a kojima productions guy on board for the music, and I definitely hear the metal gear influence, but it's also unmistakably Halo in overall feel. I'm not sure if the kojima productions guy had anything to do with this, but whoever their composer is, the guy is just amazing.

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Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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