The XbOne Yard

Since 7424 Days

Wa wa wee wa - Project Spark features http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7UlR69oOK0

-Cutscenes detailed (cinematics/text)
-Level linking (Super Mario style overwolrds)
-5km/5km or 3 miles in every direction worlds
-Kinect voice capture for cinematics
-Kinect motion capture for AI and cinematics (this could be hilarious)

Best free game ever? Best free game ever. I see a lot of interesting machinima and games coming from this thing in the future.

In reply to

docLEXfisti

Since 7697 Days

The Insiders at MisterXmedia seem confident the dGPU has 3TF. That would make XO a 4TF+ monster ... just for the meltdown I would really like it to happen :))

In reply to

the only tyrant I accept is my inner voice [and my two kids ;)]

ultimate gamers threat: "Watch it, or I'll spoil you all!"

GrimThorne

Since 7450 Days

Posted by Frozpot

Cool video interview with Sessler and Pinello

Albert is about the best communicator that Microsoft has right now. It's a wonder he wasn't put out there sooner.

Well it looks like even more AMD resumes have been discovered, and yes they also take credit for working on a discrete graphics processor. At least one of the resumes (the 1st) was taken down. Again, proof of nothing but there was an interesting bit of information regarding Window 8.1 and discrete processors built on an APU or hybrid system. This came after the BUILD conference and I can't believe that I missed it.

Through W8.1/11.2 Microsoft has created driver models that are designed specifically for taking advantage of a dGPU that is apart of a hybrid system (APU) From the document:

Definition of a hybrid system

A hybrid system is one that matches these criteria:
The system contains a single integrated GPU and a single discrete GPU:
The integrated GPU is integrated into the CPU chipset and outputs to an integrated display panel such as an LCD panel.
The discrete GPU is typically a removable card that connects to a motherboard chipset's north bridge through a bus such as PCI.
The discrete GPU has significantly higher performance than the integrated GPU.
The discrete GPU is a render-only device, and no display outputs are connected to it.
Both GPUs are physically enclosed in the same housing, and the discrete GPU can't be connected or disconnected while the computer is running.

The operating system detects the configuration of a hybrid system when it runs power-on self-test (POST) routines, when a new driver is installed, or when a display adapter is enabled or disabled.

Rendering on a discrete GPU using cross-adapter resources

The following sections describe the architecture and processes involved in three possible scenarios where an application renders on a discrete GPU within a hybrid system.
Redirected bitblt presentation model

The Direct3D runtime instructs the discrete GPU's user-mode display driver to create a cross-adapter resource for each swap chain surface.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/ha...(v=vs.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/ha...(v=vs.85).aspx

I'd really love this if this were the case for the X1. But still nothing solid.

In reply to

[quote=Frozpot]Cool video interview with Sessler and Pinello [/quote]

Albert is about the best communicator that Microsoft has right now.  It's a wonder he wasn't put out there sooner.

Well it looks like even more AMD resumes have been discovered, and yes they also take credit for working on a discrete graphics processor. At least one of the resumes (the 1st) was taken down.  Again, proof of nothing but there was an interesting bit of information regarding Window 8.1 and discrete processors built on an APU or hybrid system.  This came after the BUILD conference and I can't believe that I missed it.

Through W8.1/11.2  Microsoft has created driver models that are designed specifically for taking advantage of a dGPU that is apart of a hybrid system (APU)   From the document:

[quote]

[b]Definition of a hybrid system[/b]

[i]A hybrid system is one that matches these criteria:
The system contains a single integrated GPU and a single discrete GPU:
The integrated GPU is integrated into the CPU chipset and outputs to an integrated display panel such as an LCD panel.
The discrete GPU is typically a removable card that connects to a motherboard chipset's north bridge through a bus such as PCI.
The discrete GPU has significantly higher performance than the integrated GPU.
The discrete GPU is a render-only device, and no display outputs are connected to it.
Both GPUs are physically enclosed in the same housing, and the discrete GPU can't be connected or disconnected while the computer is running.

The operating system detects the configuration of a hybrid system when it runs power-on self-test (POST) routines, when a new driver is installed, or when a display adapter is enabled or disabled.[/i]

[b]Rendering on a discrete GPU using cross-adapter resources[/b]

The following sections describe the architecture and processes involved in three possible scenarios where an application renders on a discrete GPU within a hybrid system.
Redirected bitblt presentation model

[IMG]http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC671202.png[/IMG]

The Direct3D runtime instructs the discrete GPU's user-mode display driver to create a cross-adapter resource for each swap chain surface.

[IMG]http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC671203.png[/IMG]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn265501(v=vs.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn265510(v=vs.85).aspx[/quote]

I'd really love this if this were the case for the X1.  But still nothing solid.

GrimThorne

Since 7450 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

The Insiders at MisterXmedia seem confident the dGPU has 3TF. That would make XO a 4TF+ monster ... just for the meltdown I would really like it to happen :))

Well it's sort of like the diagrams I posted above. They're clearly for PC, but could very easily be adapted the the X1. Misterxmedia would naturally assume it's FOR the X1 and immediately start posting it as such. He doesn't know how to draw the line between truth and supposition. He arrives at a theory and STARTS from the premise that it's fact first, process of elimination last.

I'm not sure how he arrives to his figures. The most the board would probably be able to handle would have to be within a 100-275w envelope (based on the inductors) and not exceed 2 Billion transistors. There just isn't enough room on the die for what he's now claiming.

In reply to

Eddy186

Since 7524 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

The Insiders at MisterXmedia seem confident the dGPU has 3TF. That would make XO a 4TF+ monster ... just for the meltdown I would really like it to happen :))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-Lwpgfd1E

In reply to

Phaethon360

Since 7424 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

The Insiders at MisterXmedia seem confident the dGPU has 3TF. That would make XO a 4TF+ monster ... just for the meltdown I would really like it to happen :))

In reply to

BLackHawkodst

Since 6465 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

Wa wa wee wa - Project Spark features http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7UlR69oOK0

-Cutscenes detailed (cinematics/text)
-Level linking (Super Mario style overwolrds)
-5km/5km or 3 miles in every direction worlds
-Kinect voice capture for cinematics
-Kinect motion capture for AI and cinematics (this could be hilarious)

Best free game ever? Best free game ever. I see a lot of interesting machinima and games coming from this thing in the future.

Sounds awesome! :)

In reply to

Prepare To Drop!!

docLEXfisti

Since 7697 Days

GIF time!

In reply to

the only tyrant I accept is my inner voice [and my two kids ;)]

ultimate gamers threat: "Watch it, or I'll spoil you all!"

ManThatYouFear

Since 7521 Days

^^ all that makes me think is, God of war 4 is going to be immense :D

In reply to

PSN:ManThatYouFear
GT: ManThatYouFear
Steam: Psn_ManThatYouFear
Real Life: ThatTwat

docLEXfisti

Since 7697 Days

and more, look at that erotic (I mean sexy) reflections

In reply to

the only tyrant I accept is my inner voice [and my two kids ;)]

ultimate gamers threat: "Watch it, or I'll spoil you all!"

Jin187

Since 7322 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

Wa wa wee wa - Project Spark features http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7UlR69oOK0

-Cutscenes detailed (cinematics/text)
-Level linking (Super Mario style overwolrds)
-5km/5km or 3 miles in every direction worlds
-Kinect voice capture for cinematics
-Kinect motion capture for AI and cinematics (this could be hilarious)

Best free game ever? Best free game ever. I see a lot of interesting machinima and games coming from this thing in the future.

The game really is shaping up to be something quite revolutionary. I hope they introduce some kind of whether system along the way :D

I love the idea that you can continue building on a Surface Pro!

In reply to

Frozpot

Since 7337 Days

Geez the lighting in RYSE is incredible. The overcast day light is nearly perfect! Loves it, I do.

Spark looks amazing as well, I may just get into that :)

I decided to get WatchDogs, AC4, and Dead Rising 3 on disc, and Ryse and Forza digitally. The idea being The open world games will require more time per play, and the other two are great for getting right into.

Can't wait for Nov. 22 :D

In reply to

Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

GrimThorne

Since 7450 Days

Albert Penello in June:

I would like to pose this question to the audience. There are several months until the consoles launch, and any student of the industry will remember, specs change.

Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?

I believe the debate on this could give some light to why we don’t want to engage in a specification debate until both boxes are final and shipping.”

Albert Penello yesterday:

I’m not dismissing raw performance. I’m stating – as I have stated from the beginning – that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe. There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance.

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious.

I get a ton of hate for saying this – but it’s been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better.

I’m not saying they haven’t built a good system – I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years…

Another thing is that Penello had 3 opportunities to deny the dGPU rumor but didn't. Even Nelson joined in on the charge

As I said above, Albert is one of the most amazing people I work with - that's why I invited him on my podcast a few weeks ago. I jab him a bit about posting on 'GAF (fact: they would not approve my account of there) but he's smart and driven. He's also right: We have some of smartest programmers in the world working on Xbox One. I am very much looking forward to the next few months (and beyond) as the truth comes out.

I don't know what all of this means and what they intend to show us, but it's clear they have something to show us. lol!

Ryse looks great btw

In reply to

Albert Penello in June:

[quote]

[i]I would like to pose this question to the audience. There are several months until the consoles launch, and any student of the industry will remember, specs change.

Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?

I believe the debate on this could give some light to why we don’t want to engage in a specification debate until both boxes are final and shipping.”[/i][/quote]

Albert Penello yesterday:

[quote]

[i]I’m not dismissing raw performance. I’m stating – as I have stated from the beginning – that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe. There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance.

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious.

I get a ton of hate for saying this – but it’s been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better.

I’m not saying they haven’t built a good system – I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years…[/i][/quote]

Another thing is that Penello had 3 opportunities to deny the dGPU rumor but didn't.  Even Nelson joined in on the charge

[quote]

As I said above, Albert is one of the most amazing people I work with - that's why I invited him on my podcast a few weeks ago. I jab him a bit about posting on 'GAF (fact: they would not approve my account of there) but he's smart and driven. He's also right: We have some of smartest programmers in the world working on Xbox One. I am very much looking forward to the next few months (and beyond) as the truth comes out.[/quote]

I don't know what all of this means and what they intend to show us, but it's clear they have [b][i]something[/i][/b] to show us. lol!

Ryse looks great btw

GriftGFX

Since 7578 Days

That's a whole lot of nothing. Big fat nothing. Optimus levels of nothing. Is that Optimus in his day job?

In reply to

Jin187

Since 7322 Days

He (Penello) isn't wrong though.

In reply to

GriftGFX

Since 7578 Days

Isn't wrong how? He didn't really say anything.

Sure... Microsoft created DirectX. Sure... it's a good API. So is OpenGL. They don't have some kind of special insight that others do not. Especially when you consider how many developers have come and gone over the years. Some of the top level wizards are long gone. I'm sure they have wizards. And I'm sure their wizards work on the DirectX team still.

But really: He makes no specific claims. At all. You can't be wrong when you don't say anything.

In reply to

Eddy186

Since 7524 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

That's a whole lot of nothing. Big fat nothing. Optimus levels of nothing. Is that Optimus in his day job?

In reply to

GriftGFX

Since 7578 Days

I'm just getting sick of all of the marketing speak on both sides, which fanatics are quick to cling to and write essays about.

I can't wait until this thing is out. Then we can argue about entirely new topics.

In reply to

GrimThorne

Since 7450 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I'm just getting sick of all of the marketing speak on both sides, which fanatics are quick to cling to and write essays about.

I can't wait until this thing is out. Then we can argue about entirely new topics.

In reply to

GriftGFX

Since 7578 Days

Not really. I'd call reacting to the constant marketing non-speak and writing essays about how it relates to spec rumors overreacting :P

I mean really.. who even cares which console is more powerful? You guys keep saying it doesn't even matter..

..so why do you care so much about the "secret sauce?"

In reply to

GrimThorne

Since 7450 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

..so why do you care so much about the "secret sauce?"

Are you sure YOU aren't the one who cares about the secret sauce? I mean doesn't this whole thing fit perfectly into YOUR on-going narrative about the next gen consoles anyway? Interesting that you should bring Optimus up, he's a perfect example of how you've gone about interpreting things. Grift, you're in a gaming forum that's posting news about next gen consoles, but you're somehow above the fray? How do you manage to do that and remain the glorious ray of sunshine you've been these past months?

Sorry to have to break it to you, but you are APART of this. You have a membership card. And you have most definitely played a role around here LOL!

As for Penello, he's right and you know it. The last two generations started the exact same way. I think that's what Jin was getting at. And sure there's plenty of marketing speak, I mean this IS the time when they're supposed to do it. If you think about it, Nintendo didn't engage in any marketing speak and their platform went completely unnoticed last holiday season. I remarked on it several times, about how weird it was that a new Nintendo console was being released and how nobody seemed to care, INCLUDING Nintendo.

But you're right about it almost being over. Sure there will still be the occasional arguments over bean counting, and probably community watches over hardware failure. But that's just part of the territory. Speaking of which, if you're sick of all of this................you're probably in the wrong place. lol

It is what it is Grift. IT'S - A NEXT GEN - CONSOLE LAUNCH.

In reply to

[quote=GriftGFX]
..so why do you care so much about the "secret sauce?"[/quote]

Are you sure YOU aren't the one who cares about the secret sauce?  I mean doesn't this whole thing fit perfectly into YOUR on-going narrative about the next gen consoles anyway?   Interesting that you should bring Optimus up, he's a perfect example of how you've gone about interpreting things.  Grift, you're in a gaming forum that's posting news about next gen consoles, but you're somehow above the fray?  How do you manage to do that and remain the glorious ray of sunshine you've been these past months?

Sorry to have to break it to you, but you are APART of this. You have a membership card. And you have most definitely played a role around here  LOL!

As for Penello, he's right and you know it.  The last two generations started the exact same way.  I think that's what Jin was getting at.   And sure there's plenty of marketing speak, I mean this IS the time when they're supposed to do it.  If you think about it, Nintendo didn't engage in any marketing speak and their platform went completely unnoticed last holiday season.   I remarked on it several times, about how weird it was that a new Nintendo console was being released and how nobody seemed to care, INCLUDING Nintendo.

But you're right about it almost being over.   Sure there will still be the occasional arguments over bean counting,  and probably community watches over hardware failure.  But that's just part of the territory.  Speaking of which, if you're sick of all of this................you're probably in the wrong place. lol

It is what it is Grift.  IT'S - A NEXT GEN - CONSOLE LAUNCH.

scoobs0688

Since 6213 Days

Grift, you're in a gaming forum that's posting news about next gen consoles

I'm gonna stop you right there, you are not posting news. You are posting nonsensical rumors. For Christs sake they've showed the hardware specs during that presentation, and showed the exact theoretical performance, detailed everything about the design of the hardware AND software, and yet here you guys are believing that they just "forgot to mention" a hidden mystery feature that makes the XB1 some kind of monster. Its hilarious, its sad, its a lot of things, but Grift certainly isn't off-base here. This thread is full of preposterous wishful thinking and flat-out absurd claims that hold about as much factual information as conspiracy theories and supposed UFO sightings.

And to your second point, the difference between the last two generations and this one is the raw hardware specs actually favor the Sony platform undeniably. The ps2 and ps3 had weaker hardware (apart from the Cell, but even then the differences only ever showed on ps3 exclusives).

A next-gen console launch used to be about games, and that excited feeling amongst everyone to get their hands on a new shiny piece of hardware and to experience new things with shiny graphics. Now its you and a few others babbling on about some unsubstantiated secret unannounced hardware that makes the XB1 so much better than even MICROSOFT has claimed.

What more do you need to know? Why is it you guys think the company you are championing is actually lying to you? Reality: they're not. Lets talk about games, and have some fun in here... this thread is a steaming pile of garbage right now.

In reply to

[quote]Grift, you're in a gaming forum that's posting news about next gen consoles[/quote]
I'm gonna stop you right there, you are not posting news.  You are posting nonsensical rumors.  For Christs sake they've showed the hardware specs during that presentation, and showed the exact theoretical performance, detailed everything about the design of the hardware AND software, and yet here you guys are believing that they just "forgot to mention" a hidden mystery feature that makes the XB1 some kind of monster.   Its hilarious, its sad, its a lot of things, but Grift certainly isn't off-base here.  This thread is full of preposterous wishful thinking and flat-out absurd claims that hold about as much factual information as conspiracy theories and supposed UFO sightings.

And to your second point, the difference between the last two generations and this one is the raw hardware specs actually favor the Sony platform undeniably.  The ps2 and ps3 had weaker hardware (apart from the Cell, but even then the differences only ever showed on ps3 exclusives).

A next-gen console launch used to be about games, and that excited feeling amongst everyone to get their hands on a new shiny piece of hardware and to experience new things with shiny graphics.  Now its you and a few others babbling on about some unsubstantiated secret unannounced hardware that makes the XB1 so much better than even MICROSOFT has claimed.

[img]http://www.hardwareluxx.de/images/stories/newsbilder/aschilling/2013/xbox-one-soc-3.png[/img]

What more do you need to know?  Why is it you guys think the company you are championing is actually lying to you?  Reality: they're not.  Lets talk about games, and have some fun in here... this thread is a steaming pile of garbage right now.

add me on steam: scoobs18@gmail.com
add me on PSN: scoobs0688

Currently playing: Counterstrike:GO, Skyrim, WoW:MoP, SC2

Tinks

Since 7508 Days

It would be nice if people wouldn't post a shit ton of shitty gifs while my pc is broken and I have to browse on a kindle. God save those with slower computers than me

In reply to

hijab

Since 5370 Days

I think people are getting paranoid comcerning xo specs.

Penello is defending xo gpu. They did tighten up the screws with 6% and 9% clockspeed for gpu, cpu. Honestly I do not think multiplats games will look or run much better than xo. It will be same as this gen with slight favor to PS4

In reply to

Optimusv2

Since 7470 Days

Next gen really is here. You guys sound like you're ready to kill each other :)

In reply to

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Deer & Boy

Rhythm Heaven Groove

Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resynced

Our Switch 2 video of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth

Our video of NODE

Our PC video of NBA The Run