GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 7450 Days
Posted by scoobs0688
Lets talk about games, and have some fun in here... this thread is a steaming pile of garbage right now.


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WOW. I'm sorry scoobs, but if YOU are going to be Mr Fun around here, you're going to have to loosen up or we're all in trouble.

Believe it or not it IS actually fun to engage in HARMLESS speculation. It's NOTHING, it's just news to pass the day. When a little news or yes, speculation comes into our possession we share it and our enthusiasm about it with each other. Truthfully, I don't think anyone here is even taking it that seriously. We've been mired in such negativity for so long that when hear anything positive we don't accept until we hear official confirmation. That's probably WHY the speculations drag on for as long as they do.

Seriously man, look at what you've posted. It's an honest to goodness impassioned reaction. You are THAT personally offended if I engage in a little tech spin? You know I've seen just about every negative crapbrick posted in this thread. Whether it was accurate or not, I don't think I've seen you respond to any of that in this manner. In fact you've often left your approving mark. Why so angry now? A few speculations get posted around here, some people come into the thread and talk about it's probability or it's unlikelihood for a day or two and then it's forgotten. Along with it's validity if it had none or was later dis-proven.

Why do you care what we speculate about? Even if we're deluding ourselves, what does it cost YOU in terms of blood and treasure? lol

And at least be honest, this isn't about fun. No one in here (certainly not me) can stop you from having fun no matter what's being posted. Your being very disingenuous. If you thought this was really hilarious as you said you would get a bowl of popcorn and sit back and laugh at the whole spectacle of our UFO sightings. We're not doing anything wrong here by having this discussion, and I don't see anyone locking any threads when they become overly negative either. So give it a rest. Drama not needed.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 6213 Days
Posted by GrimThorne



Seriously man, look at what you've posted. It's an honest to goodness impassioned reaction. You are THAT personally offended if I engage in a little tech spin? You know I've seen just about every negative crapbrick posted in this thread. Whether it was accurate or not, I don't think I've seen you respond to any of that in this manner. In fact you've often left your approving mark. Why so angry now?
I am certainly not angry more than I am annoyed at what you and a few others have turned this thread into. Why are we devoting pages upon pages on this stuff? Why are we not talking about games anymore? This is my escape from the boredom of work and all I get to read now is this pointless drivel.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 7450 Days
That actually sounds like a great idea. So go ahead scoobs, start an X1 Games thread. Make it clear that no one should make any hardware related posts there.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 6213 Days
Posted by GrimThorne
That actually sounds like a great idea. So go ahead scoobs, start an X1 Games thread. Make it clear that no one should make any hardware related posts there.
I'm all for hardware posts, I'd just appreciate it if they were real ones, not made up stuff if that is at all possible.
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docLEXfisti
docLEXfisti
Since 7697 Days
I posted some amazing GIF's on the last page, not to mention about the gorgeous Forza reflections ...

And I also said it a few pages back, speculation is fun. It's only possible at the beginning of a new cycle. We all know the PS4 is a very capable machine and it won't be bad thing if XO catches up. And even if not, we had some great times :D

Now back to games: why haven't we heard ANYthing about D4 (Dark Dreams Don't Die)? I wonder if it will be Twin Peaks all over again ...
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BLackHawkodst
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Since 6465 Days
AMAZING!

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docLEXfisti
docLEXfisti
Since 7697 Days
dat grass ... so beautiful



there's so much going on in that one GIF. 140.000 poly's on the character, amazing depth of field, the bouncing of his armor straps on the back, the wiggling grass, the brutally severed lower-leg, the reflections in the shield and the sheer brutality of it all - you gotta hand it to Crytek.

Could be the best Crytek game ever, although that doesn't say much ...
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Isomac
Isomac
Since 7345 Days
Is that a rhythm game? Press A at the right time to get legendary hit! I am not sure about the best game... Crysis is pretty damn good.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 6213 Days
Ya..Crysis was pretty fun, 2 was awful and I didnt even try 3. I can only imagine its as bad as 2 was.
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KORNdog
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Since 6982 Days
Posted by scoobs0688
Ya..Crysis was pretty fun, 2 was awful and I didnt even try 3. I can only imagine its as bad as 2 was.
Crysis 3 was, imo...Worse. I at least forced myself to finish crysis 2. But i couldn't even manage that in the third. Such a boring game.
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That one was awesome.
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from MisterXmedia

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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7444 Days
Posted by scoobs0688
Ya..Crysis was pretty fun, 2 was awful and I didnt even try 3. I can only imagine its as bad as 2 was.
Crysis>Crysis Warhead>Crysis 3>Crysis 2

That should give you an hint, Crysis 3 is more of a Crysis game than Crysis 2 was.
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docLEXfisti
docLEXfisti
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Crysis 3 was fine, but too short and too much on rails. Shooting mechanic was near perfection though ... [but man, did my GTX670 sweat with everything maxed out @ 1900x1200]
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7444 Days
Crysis 3 was short, less chapters if you compare it to Crysis 2.
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GrimThorne
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Since 7450 Days
As a courtesy to scoobs I will only mention this once, and as a token to Grift, I won't post an essay around it.

It's been confirmed that at the Eurogamer Expo, Phil Spencer will be hosting a special conference for game developers on the Xbox One on Thursday September 26th at 12pm BST. This presentation (as it's being called) will be held exactly one day after the NDA will be lifted, and also the day after AMD will be presenting their new line of graphics cards at their own scheduled event in Hawaii.

Phil Spencer's developer session (as well as other dev sessions) WILL be streamed online on the Eurogamer Expo YouTube channel.
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GriftGFX
Since 7578 Days
Posted by docLEXfisti
Crysis 3 was fine, but too short and too much on rails. Shooting mechanic was near perfection though ... [but man, did my GTX670 sweat with everything maxed out @ 1900x1200]
Crysis 3 was fine but Ryse looks like their best game ever? Come on.. Ryse looks bad. Crysis 1 was good. Warhead was even better. Far Cry was good too.
Posted by GrimThorne
As a courtesy to scoobs I will only mention this once, and as a token to Grift, I won't post an essay around it.

It's been confirmed that at the Eurogamer Expo, Phil Spencer will be hosting a special conference for game developers on the Xbox One on Thursday September 26th at 12pm BST. This presentation (as it's being called) will be held exactly one day after the NDA will be lifted, and also the day after AMD will be presenting their new line of graphics cards at their own scheduled event in Hawaii.

Phil Spencer's developer session (as well as other dev sessions) WILL be streamed online on the Eurogamer Expo YouTube channel.
I can't wait. Then we can stop pretending that there's some secret sauce that makes the X1 more powerful than the PS4 or a 2010 PC.

Heck, even if there is "secret sauce," I'd rather we know facts instead of the silly speculative stuff that's still happening just months from release.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 7508 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
I can't wait. Then we can stop pretending that there's some secret sauce that makes the X1 more powerful than the PS4 or a 2010 PC.

Heck, even if there is "secret sauce," I'd rather we know facts instead of the silly speculative stuff that's still happening just months from release.
Amen! I am so sick of coming into this thread and all I read is "XO is more powerful", "No, PS4 is more powerful" ..... who cares!!!
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GriftGFX
Since 7578 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Amen! I am so sick of coming into this thread and all I read is "XO is more powerful", "No, PS4 is more powerful" ..... who cares!!!
Just remember: it doesn't matter if the PS4 is more powerful. Unless it isn't. Then it matters.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
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Posted by alimokrane
Amen! I am so sick of coming into this thread and all I read is "XO is more powerful", "No, PS4 is more powerful" ..... who cares!!!
Wut? In here? The only people who have really gone at each other's throats in here has been Grift and Optimus. But other than those moments there hasn't been any XO vs PS4 showdowns. There's certainly been disagreements over platform options and some still remain angry and/or distrustful of Microsoft over that. But there just haven't been any Gaf style smackdowns over hardware comparisons.

Ironic that this site used to be called Xboxyde, it doesn't feel as pro Xbox as it did when I first joined.
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Posted by GrimThorne
Ironic that this site used to be called Xboxyde, it doesn't feel as pro Xbox as it did when I first joined.
Perceptions shift. I think that's a good thing. Some of our Playstation fans here started as gigantic Xbox fanboys. I think it's good to see that potential.. even in fanaticism which I'm pretty critical of in general.

No one should be so steadfast in their preference that they can't be swayed by competition.

I was pretty pro-Xbox until about mid-way through the 360's life.
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GrimThorne
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Posted by GriftGFX
No one should be so steadfast in their preference that they can't be swayed by competition.
well..................yeah.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
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Posted by GrimThorne
Wut? In here? The only people who have really gone at each other's throats in here has been Grift and Optimus. But other than those moments there hasn't been any XO vs PS4 showdowns. There's certainly been disagreements over platform options and some still remain angry and/or distrustful of Microsoft over that. But there just haven't been any Gaf style smackdowns over hardware comparisons.

Ironic that this site used to be called Xboxyde, it doesn't feel as pro Xbox as it did when I first joined.
Probably because its not Xboxyde anymore and there are more than just xbox fanboys that frequent the site now.

Thought this was interesting, former developer at People Can Fly (Gears of war: judgement, painkiller, etc) posted this


But then again, this may just be pre-secret sauce, so im sure they'll even out
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GrimThorne
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Yep, and then afterwards he posted this in his blog.


Here I am. So...

1. I am not doing a damage control, but I do want to clarify one thing. But first, yes, devs I know -- and as someone has shown it before in this thread, some other devs already talked about it too -- claim that there's 50% speed difference WHEN DEVELOPING in cross-gen/next-gen PS4/XO games. So there we are, I said it and I stand by it. Notice: WHEN DEVELOPING. It'll become clear in a second.

2. Will this change in the future? WIll devs discover some tricks to narrow the gap? Will stuff like XO cloud computing help? Hell if I know. Uhm, maybe? I know that devs -- well, most of them -- will do whatever they can do get you the best games possible. You're going to see a lot of multiplatform games this next gen, just as you've seen them in this gen, so it's in studios' best interest that there's no clear advantage in one version over the other.

3. Does it mean studios will cripple PS4 versions to match XO ones? Not really, do not underestimate the devs. Even if this happens, you will not know that and that's okay. You've never seen most games in their most powerful form anyway (when we work on them on our ninja dev PCs in 1080p 120fps with all the antialiasings and stuff turned on for shits and giggles). But most of the time devs have a target and they meet this target. If it's a multiplatform game, it's designed with this in mind from the start. So maybe it's not maxing out one console while going 100% on the other. Maybe it's 100% on both, but they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform. Etc. etc.

4. So what is that "one thing" I want to clarify, that some people may consider "damage control", but really is just an explanation. Someone mentioned Titanfall, which looks money and enjoys a great hype. Exactly. A great dev will make a great game no matter what's the hardware. Current gen CoDs looks great and it's 60 fps, on both platforms (well, and PC :). To most devs that is just impossible to achieve. And yet...

Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen.
Notice how he used the term "TODAY?" And the mere suggestion that he stated that the PS3 was the weaker platform was enough to send heart attacks throughout the Gaf community.

Moral to the story scoobs? Don't speak too soon. In a couple of years the comparisons might be more conversation worthy. The secret sauce jokes are interesting to hear because everyone should KNOW that Microsoft will have their own special set of tricks for the X1. Something that set the X1's development tool chain apart.
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"And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform."

Last of Us was OK looking on my PS3, but why is it I noticed a lot of screen tearing, that I don't notice on some other PS3 or Xbox 360 games? Last of Us was not the best looking title this generation. Lost all credibility with me on that statement. I don't know what the best looking title this generation is, but it is not Last of Us.

By the way Last of Us had horrendous enemy AI.
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