Yeah if lag and accuracy get fixed i can see some good experiences ahead, time will tell.

Even if they make it faster from an input lag perspective, there will still be the inherent problem in selecting things. Where you just float your hand over something for a set time. Which will always be slower then just pressing a button. And the problem with voice recognition is 2 fold.

1. They need to use activation phrases to avoid accidental activation of features and aps. So you end up with the "xbox: pause movie" "xbox: on" situation. Which again, takes up time which you could have done the same thing 10 times over with buttons.

And 2. You sound like a complete moron talking to your console.

I guess it all depends on how you want to play your core games, because as good as the ME3 voice implentation was, i don't want to be shouting commands to my squad, i'll just stick with the controller thanks. But i can see some casual new games coming that may be fun to play with the family or friends.

The voice stuff can be cool if done right, i mean if i walk into the room and just say 'xbox on' 'play gta' and of it goes while i get settled then thats cool, but would i use it in my core games no.

True, i did not use that either, but i've played Kinect sports with the family and it's just so much fun!, so yeah as you say some real cool stuff could come out with the better tech for the casual stuff, frack the haters lol.

Its the activation phrase i don't like. If i'm watching a movie. Saying pause would be great (you'd still feel like a moron), but it can't do that incase you didn't mean to pause it, you have to have the retarded "xbox: pause movie" thing which is horrible.

I personally wouldn't like the idea of kinect constantly listening in, which it would have to do if voice commands like "xbox: on" where to work.

I have no problem with either version if it works smoothly, my friends Smart TV already does it and it's actually pretty cool :)Yeah we had Microsoft at our offices last year to demo Windows 8 and they also set up a Kinect station which had Kinect Sports, i have to admit we all had a blast :)

LOL!

There are ways to get around the input lag issue, and here's the biggest solution of all: Developers should stop trying to treat Kinect as if they expect it to be as responsive as a regular controller. Once they cut that out and find more creative uses for including Kinect functionality into their games alongside the traditional controller, they will find their adventures into Kinect development for real games far more successful.

I mean, take for example some analysis that I believe digital foundry on eurogamer did on Halo Reach. The input lag on the controller was apparently quite a bit worse than the input lag that will exist for the new Kinect, and I was just fine with Halo Reach in that regard. So input lag should be the least of the reasons for why Kinect can't work.

If developers are creative enough, some amazing hybrid games can be created from this thing. Just with the closed fist, open hand and click thing that they've already shown using windows 8, there's a range of gameplay related stuff that they could do with that. But I will continue to believe that Kinect is far better suited for some kind of magic based adventure game or a cool jrpg of some kind. The talent is there to get this done. Microsoft just has to be willing to go out and pay for it at times. Contract a dev for a big first party jrpg or rpg of some kind utilizing Kinect and the controller. It's a lot harder for devs that make these ultra serious games to be successful on Kinect, but for devs that don't mind being a little wacky, or dare I say, kiddie, they can achieve amazing things.

Skyrim used it to some good effect, but i'm set in my ways and prefer to use the controller only.

Me, too. Controller all the way for me. However, I'm also very open to the idea of a developer doing something good with Kinect.

I'm just intrigued by the notion of what it could become. That said, if Microsoft were to ever announce that all games must primarily be played with Kinect, however, then I wouldn't bother with the new xbox. I'm curious, but I don't exactly want to marry the thing. :)

The problem with that theory, is that majority core gamers arn't interested at all, no matter how motion gaming is used. Which leaves the casual gamers to reap the rewards of all these hybrid games. But the problem with THAT. Is the casual commuinity isn't interested in halo with kinect support, they just want fruit ninja 2.

MS have a real risk of doing a WIii-u. Where it's unclear who it's even aimed at! Because they're so fucused on Trying to capture EVERYONE. It doesnt work like that tho. You need a focus, and MS dont seem to have one. They want the casual and the core. But the 360 has proven you can't have both equally. Somethong has to suffer, and it seems to be the core userbase, who ironically got them where they are in the first place.

Hybrid i dont mind, as long as i can still play my core games with my controller.

Well, it may be a bit premature to say the core userbase is suffering, as the core userbase has yet to actually suffer thus far on the Xbox 360, despite Microsoft's focus on Kinect the last couple years. The only thing that has really suffered is their message to core gamers, but that message hasn't actually had a very detrimental effect on the Xbox 360's ability to still produce content that core gamers want and enjoy a great deal.

Before I'm to be convinced that the core userbase is somehow suffering or somehow can't feel welcome on the xbox platform, I need to actually see it first. Lack of diverse First Party content on par with Sony does not qualify, particularly when the majority of core gamers buy and play multiplatform releases far more than they do first party titles on either the 360 or PS3.

When all is said and done, Microsoft may not entirely agree with what a lot of people are saying on forums about the xbox brand not being good enough for core gamers. If there's anything we've learned these past years it's that we hyper enthusiast forum posters certainly don't speak for the majority of core gamers. In fact, we are often wrong in the most brutal of fashions. People expected Kinect to flop, it flourished and sold far better than anybody expected. Everybody was writing Nintendo's obituary prior to the release of the Wii; they were wrong again. Forums universally went nuts for and praised the PS Vita about as much as anything could be praised, and now it's, by any respectable measure, a potential disaster in the making that is getting utterly trashed by the very 3DS forums expected it to destroy thanks to its tech specifications. I'll take a wait and see on how things go. You can accommodate Kinect in real games without it necessarily having to target some casual. If a team is interested and is creative enough, they can make it work.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52203...

Well, it's confirmed xbox is doomed.

Nothing good can ever come of pachter saying you're going to win anything.

LOL at Patcher and his predictions, but one things correct both consoles will do great.

Very well put, and an interesting point.