jesus christ op...

The point is who in the hell is anybody on this forum, or any forum for that matter, to dictate to others what constitutes true value from what doesn't?

Who here is such king shit among gamers that they can tell people which games they should and shouldn't find enjoyment in, and how much, if so?

The problem some people have is that they are much too engaged in the competition that should only exist between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo. It's not a damn competition. It's playing whatever the hell you enjoy as often as you like, on whichever platform you like. You think the number of exclusives any one console has in comparison to another means jack shit to a gamer if that gamer isn't interested in playing EVERY single one of those exclusives, which 95% of the time they are not? We are talking about gamers here, not game reviewers whose job it is to review and play just about everything there is. More people have played GTA4 and specific COD games on each respective console more than they've played any specific exclusive for either the 360 or PS3.

Most gamers may find one or two, 3+ if they're lucky, first party exclusives that they feel they absolutely, positively can't do without. You ever wonder sometimes why despite all the wide spread hype about all these various Playstation first party exclusives, that hardware sales don't reflect this supposed content advantage? Because it's generally the same exact people all talking up the same games. It doesn't mean the games aren't good, but it showcases that hype and volume of forum chatter doesn't exactly translate the way some would think. The Vita is a perfect example of this.

Exclusives exist for the sole purpose of fostering loyalty to that franchise and thus, the brand that it calls home. Whether people like to admit it or not, these exclusives in very equal looking numbers, exist on both platforms. And if there are truly no worthwhile Xbox exclusives, then why the hell do people keep buying xbox exclusives in the millions? Halo is more or less classified an inconsequential xbox first party exclusive by some, and yet the newest installment that just released late last year has already sold more than any single Sony First Party title, with the exception of GT5, which was in the market for over 2 years already. Just as I did this gen, I'll be getting all 3 new consoles and getting whichever exclusives catch my fancy along the way, with the majority of my multiplatform purchases taking place for my primary console, which right now is Durango because of Halo. The 360 is my primary console right now, the PS3 is my secondary, and the Wii is my third, and my 3DS I imagine for some time will dominate the majority of my time. All of my ps3 purchases are first party exclusives, except for FF13, which I always intended on getting for the PS3. Last purchases for PS3 were Uncharted 2, God of War 3 and Ni No Kuni, that studio ghibli/level 5 jrpg. Last purchases for Wii were Last Story and Xenoblade Saga.

Halo, though, is just one game that I absolutely can't do without, all it would take for the PS4 to be my primary console is for it to have more good looking jrpg exclusives, especially if any of those involve Mistwalker, who are by no means tied to Microsoft, which is why I'm not exactly so certain that I'll see a blue dragon sequel, or that MS might ever work with Mistwalker again. Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are pretty much what made the 360 my primary console. I got onboard early in anticipation of those 2 games, and then after that I decided to check out what else the xbox 360 had to offer. Prior to the 360, I was strictly a ps2 loyalist, and damn proud of it. It was the superior console by a country mile.

I'm not convinced we will see a return to the days of the ps1 and ps2 anytime soon, which is why I generally don't buy the sky is falling stuff about Durango. The PS4 having better specs doesn't suddenly make Durango's spacs incapable of delivering incredible games, which is exactly what it sounds like people are implying. Since when has superior specs ever been the way to choose a friggin games console... If that were the case the PSP would kick DS ass, Vita would kick 3DS ass, and xbox would kick PS2 ass.

Ops although i agree with most of the above, did you never own an Xbox?

You seem to genuinely care who wins more than most people here. I don't think most people give a shit about sales.

You can't distinguish conversations between about sales, quantity, and quality.

AMD Radeon HD 7790 Physical Specifications, Release Date Confirmed

A presentation slide, allegedly by AMD, leaked by a Japanese distributor confirmed specifications of AMD's upcoming Radeon HD 7790 graphics card. According to the slide, the HD 7790 is indeed based on a brand new silicon, with a transistor count of 2.08 billion. Compare that, to the 1.5 billion TC of "Cape Verde," and 2.80 billion of "Pitcairn." The silicon is built on the 28 nanometer silicon fab process.

The clock speed mentioned in the slide could be core, which is clocked at 1.00 GHz. Next up is the stream processor count, which stands at 896. The HD 7790 is mentioned to feature a primitive rate of 2 prim/clk, suggesting that its component hierarchy is more similar to "Tahiti" than "Cape Verde," which could mean double the tessellation processing power. All said and done, the HD 7790 belts out 1.79 TFLOPs of floating-point performance. The source goes on to mention in its text that the card features a 128-bit wide memory interface, memory clock speed of 6.00 GHz (96 GB/s), a TDP of 85W, and a single 6-pin PCIe power connector. It is expected to launch no later than tomorrow (22/03).

Not gonna happen, consoles work cause they leverage a fixed specification. 2 or 3 official specs could be feasible if they are vastly similar but with specific jumps in performance but any more than that and you weaken the ability to claim it as a console, you increase costs and lower relative performance.

I could see MS doing a low range and high range spec that devs can aim for, one offers higher res / frame rate but having to design against dozens of potential consoles is just a minefield.

Technically none of them would be the runt of the litter, because Microsoft would make solid decisions on what kind of hardware gets to be apart of the minimum required specification.

They would never lose the ability to take advantage of a closed spec'd platform because developers would always have strict guidelines to code exactly to the minimum specifications laid out by Microsoft, not according to whatever enhancements or modifications other manufacturers ended up making. Whatever they design for the minimum spec would run and look incredible on the enhanced xbox consoles by certain manufacturers. They may perform better even better due to the stronger hardware, but that's what happens when you have stronger hardware. This business model can definitely work in the console space, but there needs to be some manner of control to keep things from getting out of hand, and that's where Microsoft's game development guidelines, minimum reference specs and restrictions from straying too far outside the architectural boundaries established in the reference spec come into play.