GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
He's the spin-master. Seriously. Awful. Just fucking terrible.

The scary part is he actually believes in his own rationalizations. God knows what other sorts of scary things he can rationalize.
Posted by volvicstraw
So you would give up pc gaming? i find that very hard to believe.
I find your lack of standards pretty believable.
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KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6981 Days
Posted by volvicstraw
Thats different as you would have to pay to play the game on top of already paying to get the game, this is just an online connection, and come onnnnnn korn you would still get a ps4 :)
No i wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to bring myself to support a shit idea. Some people here a bit more accepting of shit ideas tho...
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 7423 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
Seriously? No used games and online only play cuts the install base by a maximum 50%. 74mil consoles sold - 30mil Gold/Silver XBL accounts. I won't even try to do the math of duplicate accounts and 59% failure rate of hardware.

The rumors are bad news for a potential 34mil Xbox 360 owners. End of discussion.

Any legitimate counter arguments as to why this is a good thing or are you guys going to defend what could be baseless rumors?
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volvicstraw
Since 5584 Days
lol nothing to do with standards as the online thing would not effect me at all! so why should it matter to me.
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Yes you would......
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Posted by volvicstraw
Yes you would......
Oh, you know me better then myself. Fuck off..lol
volvicstraw
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Actually yes i do lol..
sanex
Since 5765 Days
Posted by volvicstraw
lol nothing to do with standards as the online thing would not effect me at all! so why should it matter to me.
That part i agree with, but what about used games?
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
Blackhawk called it. You're all acting children (himself included). That's your retort.

Yes you would!
Yes you would!

Seriously? Participate in the conversation or shut the hell up.

You're showing your own fanboy cards here. Calling KORNdog out isn't really helping.

And accepting anti-consumer abuse is bad for everyone. Yourselves included. You're asking for it. And anything else they care to shove down your throats. But hey, eat that shit right up.
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volvicstraw
Since 5584 Days
Posted by sanex
That part i agree with, but what about used games?
Again for me no, as i buy all my games new, but i agree it would be shit for those that don't.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
Posted by volvicstraw
Again for me no, as i buy all my games new, but i agree it would be shit for those that don't.
Whoa.. stop thinking about the bigger picture. You might hurt yourself!
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volvicstraw
Since 5584 Days
Fuck off grandad.... :)
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sanex
Since 5765 Days
Posted by volvicstraw
Again for me no, as i buy all my games new, but i agree it would be shit for those that don't.
I just cannot see them doing it alone???, not unless they got some megaton deals out of it, otherwise why the hell do it???
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
You guys are crazy if you think online-only is less a threat. Not everyone is so willing to bend over. At least I hope not.

The only way I could see either really being true is if they tied into the subsidization/cable-box rumors. And that all seems far fetched. But it would make the other stuff seem more viable.
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volvicstraw
Since 5584 Days
Posted by sanex
I just cannot see them doing it alone???, not unless they got some megaton deals out of it, otherwise why the hell do it???
Who the hell knows?????
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
Posted by volvicstraw
Who the hell knows?????
Who cares? XBOX!!!!!!
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Fuck off grandad..
sanex
Since 5765 Days
Posted by volvicstraw
Who the hell knows?????
Guess we will find out soon enough.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
XBOX!!!!
Posted by SpinMaster
The fact that other people, possibly millions of them, might be slightly inconvenienced in a way that I myself will not be, does not matter to me, and it shouldn't.
This is a ridiculously shallow way of looking at this issue that will eventually bite you in the ass. Have fun with that. It only bothers me because supporting these idiotic ideas is bad for everyone else too. But you don't care about that either.
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GRANDAD!!!
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Posted by KORNdog
I fucking well wouldn't. I rent games remember, it's the foundation of my gaming. Any sort of active online DRM and anti used game system kills a console outright. I would have no use for a PS4, just like i wouldn't have any use for a 720 if the rumours end up true.

I've always been a believer that games are all that matter for a console. If you want halo, you'll buy the console that can play halo. If you want uncharted, you'll buy the console that can play uncharted. But that really isn't the case. When it comes to stuff like this, principles and standards come into play. No amount of uncharted could get me to buy a system with no used/rented games i'm afraid.

I'd just stick with The vita. Which suffers neither of these issues,
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. You would still get a PS4, even if Sony announced the same thing. You once said, I believe, that Kinect required was a no buy from you (correct me if I'm wrong, will gladly admit to being wrong), but since Sony is making it seem like they are also going to include a camera that may be similar to Kinect, you immediately accepted it with zero issue or controversy. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't exactly judge you negatively for this, but you have a favorite. And I'm not going to lie or bs you, my favorite console this gen and my most heavily played was my 360. There are reasons that you are more interested in a PS4 than you are a new Xbox. It's largely informed by how much you enjoyed what Sony had to offer this generation from the PS3. My excitement for the next Xbox is largely informed by how much I enjoyed what the Xbox 360 had to offer this gen. If my favorite console this gen was the 360, I'm naturally more interested or excited about what the next one may bring, but no more than that. And that's the way it should be. It's why heading into the 360 and PS3, I was far more interested in the PS3 because of my experience with the PS2 and because I didn't have the first xbox. What got me to commit to buying the 360 was the announcement of Sakaguchi's first party jrpgs, and the GTA announcement I thought stole major value away from my previous Playstation leanings.

I have not seen information yet from either the PS4 or the next Xbox that somehow makes me legitimately consider not buying either one. I just don't think I've seen confirmation of information that terrible. What would be that kind of terrible info? Required to be a Gold subscriber. There may be things I don't like the sound of, or that give me concerns, but there are reasons that I must have a ps4, and there are reasons that I must have the new xbox. Hell, there are reasons I must have the Wii-U, eventually. I have my favorites, unquestionably, but maybe I approach news to these consoles differently because I fully intend on owning both. But for maybe someone looking for that one machine, I can sorta understand how they might react positively or negatively to certain things as they are justifying which product they end up buying, and we all do this on some level, whether we realize it or not. If we're actively reading up on a product, we must also usually be looking at some options, and once we have a favorite that we are leaning towards and if getting both isn't an option, we find ways to justify that choice that we've made. So, not meant as a personal attack, and apologies if you see it that way, but I believe that you are excited enough and hopeful enough about the PS4 that something like online required or no used games could never get you to not buy it. Barring the possibility that Microsoft makes the most powerful console we could ever imagine, stunning us all, while also releasing it at a killer price in addition to securing some game deal or partnership that somehow makes the PS4 look far less attractive, I don't see that happening. In other words, Microsoft would somehow have to diminish the value of sole Playstation 4 ownership, the way I thought they did to me pretty effectively with regards to sole PS3 ownership.

I came into this gen believing 100% that I would not need nor eventually buy a new Xbox, and then the Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey announcements happened. And if I was having doubts about making such an impulse decision based on 2 games that weren't even available at launch, the GTA4 announcement for 360 erased those doubts. I was barely, if at all, attracted to the current gen by existing first party franchises, as I was mostly one of those gamers that bought the big third party releases, which for the PS2, happened to largely be defacto exclusives. I only have my PS3 for the exclusives that didn't or won't come to the 360, one of which is MGS4. Going into the PS4 and next Xbox, however, I now legitimately have first party franchises that I feel are must haves.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6981 Days
Not read all that, but i'll correct the first paragraph since you started wrong anyway, i said i didn't like that kinect was mandatory to function. That the fact it was required to be plugged in suggest it's going to be far more integrated then some of you are willing to accept. That's not really the same as anything sony has said, or any rumours surrounding sony, they made a passing comment about it at the reveal. And there have been no rumours suggesting it's required for basic console functionality. If it was, or of that turns out to be the case. Again. Same situation, i wouldn't support it.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
Since 7450 Days
LOL! wow.................Microsoft better release some official information soon or there will be blood on the floor.

*sigh* I honestly miss the days when I was ignorant of technical specifications, BOM and manufacturing costs, and didn't care about attach rates or multiple SKUs. It was so simple, somebody put out a new console, if I wanted to play the games they offered on that system I would just buy it.

Ignorance truly is bliss.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 7423 Days
I feel like this going unseen.

Seriously? No used games and online only play cuts the install base by a maximum 50%. 74mil consoles sold - 30mil Gold/Silver XBL accounts. I won't even try to do the math of duplicate accounts and 59% failure rate of hardware.

The rumors are bad news for a potential 34mil Xbox 360 owners. End of discussion.

Any legitimate counter arguments as to why this is a good thing or are you guys going to defend what could be baseless rumors?
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7577 Days
I saw it. I gave you 100 points for being rational. You lost 20 for inviting the "conversation" that is about to follow.

You're still winning the thread though. By like.. 80 points.
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