This is kinda true. It isn't like we wouldn't love to punish publishers at times, but we just can't help it. We need our damn games lol. There's a reason why I haven't bought another Activision game or COD game since learning how Activision treated Infinity Ward after they completed MW2. It clearly hasn't stopped every COD game since from selling like gangbusters, though. However, here comes Bungie's Destiny, and now I'm more than prepared to break that rule. Don't get me wrong, I'm siding with the consumer, too, but people only care about their own personal interests a lot of times. It isn't like I don't care about other people, but why would I deny myself something simply because other people may be inconvenienced by it or may not like it? Now that's silly.

People hated Origin, and probably still hate it, but now so many people are using it anyway, because they don't want to deny themselves simple pleasures. And why don't they deny themselves these basic things? Because they know they are capable of meeting whatever requirements that are set by Origin. People have still put hours and hours into BF3, even knowing what Origin is about.

My Apple TV requires an internet connection and a login to my Apple Store Account to use, in my view, it's most useful feature, video streaming. You can go further and say Apple TV has another requirement for its best feature, you need to own a computer! Why would I get the device knowing that this is most likely how it would work when I got it? I got it because I'm not impacted negatively by any of this. It's the same thing with the new Xbox. Always online requirement doesn't affect me, nor does it inconvenience me. No used games does affect me and is what I would call an inconvenience, but not for the same reasons that a lot of other people list, which is they want to buy used games for cheap. I don't like buying my games used. It would be an inconvenience to me because I like to be able to do with my own games what I please. I don't mind not being able to resell them, or buy games used. I do mind not being able to hand my copy of my game to a trusted friend or family member to play and enjoy, or for them, should the need ever arise, to do the same for me.

Thats you not me, if i enjoy gaming on a platform i'm going to continue gaming on that platform, i really dont give a fuck what you think either way.

Well duh of course its an opinion, just like yours is, even though as you say durango and its rumors are all smoke n mirrors as it stands.

I've had 7 great yrs on the platform, and i hope to have another great 7yrs on the next one, your opinion is on nothing but Rumours.

lol funny, not!

At least he's discussiong the actual article itself, not just getting all butthurt and defensive.

LMAO oh please, if sony announced the same thing you would still get a ps4.

I fucking well wouldn't. I rent games remember, it's the foundation of my gaming. Any sort of active online DRM and anti used game system kills a console outright. I would have no use for a PS4, just like i wouldn't have any use for a 720 if the rumours end up true.

I've always been a believer that games are all that matter for a console. If you want halo, you'll buy the console that can play halo. If you want uncharted, you'll buy the console that can play uncharted. But that really isn't the case. When it comes to stuff like this, principles and standards come into play. No amount of uncharted could get me to buy a system with no used/rented games i'm afraid.

I'd just stick with The vita. Which suffers neither of these issues,

Like i said yrs of great gaming have left me hoping the next one will do the same. An honest question for you Grift, if all pc games required an online connection and blocked all used games would you give up pc gaming?

@ Korndog: lol come on korn you would still get a ps4.

I wouldn't. My principles wouldn't allow it. Just like if games started being sold not only with online passes, but single player passes. How can ANYONE support a system like that, where you don't even have access to the disc you just bought without inputting a one use, system locked code. It would be bullshit. It hands over far too much control to the publisher and the higher ups. No thanks. I'd just go elsewhere. There are other options out there.

Thats different as you would have to pay to play the game on top of already paying to get the game, this is just an online connection, and come onnnnnn korn you would still get a ps4 :)

I think it has a lot to do with the conversation, as it showcases in a very simplified way, that singleplayer gaming has changed on consoles. Me, a person that doesn't give a damn about playing multiplayer over xbox live, is always connected to it and can be reached by anybody on my friends list regardless. I was connected to Xbox Live 100% of the time I played every single singleplayer gaming experience I've touched on the Xbox 360.Xbox Live actively uses my data connection, and that's something you know when you buy an Xbox console nowadays. The game itself need not actively use our data connections, because the console itself already is. I like being on Xbox Live when I play even my singleplayer games. I like the thought of it, I like the experience. I like seeing when friends sign in, I like them to see when I sign in. I like seeing what games friends are playing (or have them see what I'm playing) or what they are doing at the moment on their consoles and vice versa, I like being able to be messaged or contacted by these friends, or for me to do the same to them. I think this is a cool thing for consumers, to be connected like this, even if we aren't actively engaging in multiplayer online gaming. I like the thought of being able to look at gamertags, or people to look at my own. This may not be a reason you agree with, but I think it's a valid reason for Xbox live to exist, for people to want to be connected to it at all times, and for Microsoft to potentially want everybody to be connected to it to take advantage of it.

And you seem to more or less agree that this won't be an issue for you, but then you cite the millions (AND THE MILLIONS)



of potential users, as if it will really matter to most consumers that millions of people might suffer minor inconveniences while using a product. Most consumers could care less about the size of Microsoft's potential market. They have enough money as it is. People are more interested in their own personal comfort. The fact that other people, possibly millions of them, might be slightly inconvenienced in a way that I myself will not be, does not matter to me, and it shouldn't. If we're talking about a serious product defect, that's a different story altogether, but if this is the product they are putting out, an online required product, I don't have an issue with it. And if people buy this product knowing they will be negatively impacted, then they would be idiots for doing so. I would have more of an issue with the used games thing, but certainly not this.

So you would give up pc gaming? i find that very hard to believe.