The XbOne Yard

Since 6981 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

That can be summed up in a sentence. The details aren't finalized and they will clarify it all when they are ready.

So harrison went into detail about fees and shit, because?

He was having a bad day?

He felt like sabotaging the company he works for?

He's an idiot?

All of the above?

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by KORNdog

So harrison went into detail about fees and shit, because?

Because it's one of many details that they were considering internally. He was put in a tough position where he was being pressed to answer a question and then that same question again with a twist, and rather than come off as evasive (something Microsoft has been hit with over and over now for awhile), he decided to go to the reservoir and pull out one of the many possibilities being considered internally. Microsoft issued a response on it because it wasn't finalized, not because it maybe hasn't come up internally. Sometimes these guys, as high a position as they may be in, can make mistakes. Not everyone is as smooth as Peter Moore :)

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

Since 7423 Days

This whole situation seems just like the internal memo that they were scrapping Always Online DRM. You don't send a memo sitewide unless you're making a change. Public outcry makes them change their mind. Maybe if they do enough backtracking they can get this XBone Express back on the rails. They're going to try and get away with as much as they can otherwise.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Haha, it wouldn't be out of character for Microsoft to be testing the waters ;)

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Eddy186

Since 7523 Days

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/what-we-thin...

Good read

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by Eddy186

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/what-we-think-we-know-about-what-microsoft-isnt-saying-about-the-xbox-one/

Good read

Pretty fair and straightforward article.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Eddy186

Since 7523 Days

How is cloud computing for latency-insensitive computation going to be done without an always online connection? I guess they could limit the features or visual fidelity of certain games, similar to the expansion pack on the N64.

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Eddy186

Since 7523 Days

So many questions about the one. They better explain everything during e3.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by Eddy186

How is cloud computing for latency-insensitive computation going to be done without an always online connection? I guess they could limit the features or visual fidelity of certain games, similar to the expansion pack on the N64.

Well, think of it as being like some kind of level of detail system that you can take advantage of, but only if you're connected to the internet. And obviously the only way to ensure that you can always take advantage of this whenever possible is to always be online. Developers, even in the presence of cloud computing assistance, still have to optimize their game to look and run as good possible on the hardware inside the box, but it would also be nice if there are instances in which people while playing and conveniently connected to the internet, happen to come across things in game that look as impressive as they do largely due to cloud computing assistance.

Now, the obvious question that people will ask themselves is if all this cloud computing assistance stuff is for real, or is it just a PR way to try and ease people into accepting always online DRM through some kind of placebo effect? (Ohh, the game really does look and run better when I'm online!) Or is it something less sinister and just how they've chosen to answer criticism of PS4 hardware vs Xbox One hardware? If there's a truly practical application for this in latency insensitive scenarios, then hypothetically it shouldn't be impossible for some first party projects to show signs of this to instill a little confidence. And if not something that can immediately be expected to appear in even some first party projects, then perhaps a tech demo example of how it could make a difference in real games? Who knows.

Interesting stuff on this game page. Sath will be most interested in the one with the guy that appears to be wearing a cloak :P

I'm also wondering what exactly that is. I'm pretty much interested in Quantum Break, everything along that right side, Halo goes without saying, and whatever that really colorful looking game in the forest is all about.

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[quote=Eddy186]How is cloud computing for latency-insensitive computation going to be done without an always online connection? I guess they could limit the features or visual fidelity of certain games, similar to the expansion pack on the N64.[/quote]

Well, think of it as being like some kind of level of detail system that you can take advantage of, but only if you're connected to the internet. And obviously the only way to ensure that you can always take advantage of this whenever possible is to always be online. Developers, even in the presence of cloud computing assistance, still have to optimize their game to look and run as good possible on the hardware inside the box, but it would also be nice if there are instances in which people while playing and conveniently connected to the internet, happen to come across things in game that look as impressive as they do largely due to cloud computing assistance.

Now, the obvious question that people will ask themselves is if all this cloud computing assistance stuff is for real, or is it just a PR way to try and ease people into accepting always online DRM through some kind of placebo effect? (Ohh, the game really [I]does[/I] look and run better when I'm online!) Or is it something less sinister and just how they've chosen to answer criticism of PS4 hardware vs Xbox One hardware? If there's a truly practical application for this in latency insensitive scenarios, then hypothetically it shouldn't be impossible for some first party projects to show signs of this to instill a little confidence. And if not something that can immediately be expected to appear in even some first party projects, then perhaps a tech demo example of how it could make a difference in real games? Who knows.

Interesting stuff on this game page. Sath will be most interested in the one with the guy that appears to be wearing a cloak :P

I'm also wondering what exactly that is. I'm pretty much interested in Quantum Break, everything along that right side, Halo goes without saying, and whatever that really colorful looking game in the forest is all about.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

Since 7423 Days

I just came across something interesting about the Kinect being always on. http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsoft...

Posted by AngelFire93

Pay attention, because this is important. The Kinect is always watching. Always listening. Even when the system is off.

Yes. One of the ways to turn the system on is to audibly say: “Xbox On” while the system is off. The Kinect, which is always on, hears you and turns it on. Now this might seem like a cool feature, but did you know Microsoft patented a feature that would allow the Kinect’s camera (It’s no longer just a sensor, but a camera) to spy on you for the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America?) While they may not actually do this, it is actually possible for them to do this now. It has a camera, and a microphone. The Kinect is always on. It is ALWAYS listening, ALWAYS watching.

An idea has been tossed around that by using this feature, it will allow game developers and movie producers to set a limited amount of how many people can be allowed to view the entertainment. So as a hypothetical example, you and three friends are watching a movie, which is the maximum allowed. A fourth friend enters the room and the Kinect’s sensor registers the fourth individual. The movie stops and you a prompted to pay a fee so that the extra individual may also view the film. Again, that is NOT currently the case, but these are the ideas currently being tossed around with the system’s current capabilities.

But like Optimus said, none of this stuff has been confirmed. It's just being discussed :)

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I just came across something interesting about the Kinect being always on. http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

[quote=AngelFire93]Pay attention, because this is important. The Kinect is always watching. Always listening. Even when the system is off.

Yes. One of the ways to turn the system on is to audibly say: “Xbox On” while the system is off. The Kinect, which is always on, hears you and turns it on. Now this might seem like a cool feature, but did you know [b]Microsoft patented a feature that would allow the Kinect’s camera (It’s no longer just a sensor, but a camera) to spy on you for the MPAA[/b] (Motion Picture Association of America?) While they may not actually do this, it is actually possible for them to do this now. It has a camera, and a microphone. The Kinect is always on. It is ALWAYS listening, ALWAYS watching.

An idea has been tossed around that by using this feature, [b]it will allow game developers and movie producers to set a limited amount of how many people can be allowed to view the entertainment[/b]. So as a hypothetical example, you and three friends are watching a movie, which is the maximum allowed. A fourth friend enters the room and the Kinect’s sensor registers the fourth individual. The movie stops and you a prompted to pay a fee so that the extra individual may also view the film. Again, that is NOT currently the case, but these are the ideas currently being tossed around with the system’s current capabilities.[/quote]

But like Optimus said, none of this stuff has been confirmed. It's just being discussed :)

Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

We were literally talking about that very thing late 2012, or much earlier this year. It definitely isn't new.

I'm pretty sure that very thing is in this thread many pages earlier. Microsoft doesn't take privacy of customers lightly. They especially can't afford to take it lightly. That said, I can guarantee 100% that there's no way in hell there will ever be a limit on how many people can sit and watch anyone play a game on the new Xbox. It maybe COULD happen for Movies, but that's only if big theatric movie releases are allowed to release on the Xbox One on the same day as they show up in theatres nationwide. All other movie or entertainment content outside of that specific example, I just see as impossible. And even then too many things can go wrong. It's patented, but I don't ever see it becoming a reality.

Phil Harrison: Microsoft investing $1 billion into Xbox One game development. And he touches some more

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56558...

Game Development

GamesBeat: Is there a big increase in the staffing here? I think Phil mentioned that there are more games in the works than ever before — 15 big games coming and eight completely new ones. That sounds like a pretty big investment. I don’t know if it’s caused the organization to get bigger or if there were comparisons to 10 years ago.

Harrison: I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head, but I know that IEB has grown every year for the last few years. We’ve made a substantial investment in our hardware team and a substantial investment in our platform teams to allow the innovations that you saw today. From a studios perspective, we are investing, I believe, a billion dollars for content development just for games, which is more than we’ve ever spent in our history. We’re starting new studios. We’ve started studios in London [and] in Los Angeles. We’re growing our organization. This is a fantastic opportunity. It takes a lot of people.

On Kinect

GamesBeat: Based on what’s in the works for Kinect, will games go in a direction that they haven’t gone before?

Harrison: The fundamental, most impactful thing is that there’s a Kinect in every box now. There’s the ubiquity of the platform having Kinect whereas before it was always a subset. That made it difficult for developers to invest against 20 percent of the installed base or whatever it was.

Having it as 100 percent — that’s a game-changer. There are games that are not using motion but using voice in a very subtle way. The conversational understanding in Kinect for Xbox One is super sensitive and smart. It allows us to do some subtle things with voice that we couldn’t do on 360. You’ll see that at E3 [Electronic Entertainment Expo]. I’ll point them out to you.

We have a couple of cool examples of that where — even though your game is a fundamentally controller-based experience — the voice becomes this augmented menu system. Previously, you’d have to go down N number of menu trees to get to a particular feature. Now you can just say it. That’s pretty cool.
And then movement can be subtle. While you’re playing the game, it could be just doing some very gentle movements that [Kinect] can pick up and then amplify in the world.

Used Games

GamesBeat: There’s been a lot of chatter on particular controversial subjects leading up to this. People want to know about used games, about backward compatibility, and about the constant connection. What are some of the facts on those? Can you play used games on the Xbox One? Do you have to pay a fee?

Harrison: Just like today, if you have a game disc that you buy from the store, you can play that game. The game is now installed to the hard drive. Any user who is associated with that Xbox One can play that game. I can give that game disc to my son and he can go and take it to another machine inside the house and play it on that machine. Just like today, only one of us can play it at any one time.

The difference, though — the benefit of Xbox One is that that data can roam with me. I can go to my friend’s house. I can log in as myself into his machine. I can then play that game on his machine, and while I’m logged in, he can play it as well.

GamesBeat: Do you bring your disc with you, or could you use his disc?

Harrison: Doesn’t matter, yeah. If I bring my disc with me and I leave the bits on his hard drive, but he wants to play the game, he can buy the game — just like today. But in this instance, the bits were already on his hard drive, so it’s an instant switch-out. We will have a solution — and we’re not talking about the details today but just to take the angst out of this — that allows a user to trade that game back in and to give up the right to play that game.

An ability to trade that game back in and give up the right to play that game.

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We were literally talking about that very thing late 2012, or much earlier this year. It definitely isn't new.

I'm pretty sure that very thing is in this thread many pages earlier. Microsoft doesn't take privacy of customers lightly. They [I]especially[/I] can't afford to take it lightly. That said, I can guarantee 100% that there's no way in hell there will ever be a limit on how many people can sit and watch anyone play a game on the new Xbox. It maybe COULD happen for Movies, but that's only if big theatric movie releases are allowed to release on the Xbox One on the same day as they show up in theatres nationwide. All other movie or entertainment content outside of that specific example, I just see as impossible. And even then too many things can go wrong. It's patented, but I don't ever see it becoming a reality.

Phil Harrison: Microsoft investing $1 billion into Xbox One game development. And he touches some more

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=565581

Game Development

[quote]GamesBeat: Is there a big increase in the staffing here? I think Phil mentioned that there are more games in the works than ever before — 15 big games coming and eight completely new ones. That sounds like a pretty big investment. I don’t know if it’s caused the organization to get bigger or if there were comparisons to 10 years ago.

Harrison: I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head, but I know that IEB has grown every year for the last few years. We’ve made a substantial investment in our hardware team and a substantial investment in our platform teams to allow the innovations that you saw today. [b]From a studios perspective, we are investing, I believe, a billion dollars for content development just for games, which is more than we’ve ever spent in our history. We’re starting new studios. We’ve started studios in London [and] in Los Angeles. We’re growing our organization.[/b] This is a fantastic opportunity. It takes a lot of people.[/quote]

On Kinect
[quote]GamesBeat: Based on what’s in the works for Kinect, will games go in a direction that they haven’t gone before?

Harrison: The fundamental, most impactful thing is that there’s a Kinect in every box now. There’s the ubiquity of the platform having Kinect whereas before it was always a subset. That made it difficult for developers to invest against 20 percent of the installed base or whatever it was.

[b]Having it as 100 percent — that’s a game-changer. There are games that are not using motion but using voice in a very subtle way. The conversational understanding in Kinect for Xbox One is super sensitive and smart. It allows us to do some subtle things with voice that we couldn’t do on 360. You’ll see that at E3 [Electronic Entertainment Expo]. I’ll point them out to you.[/b]

We have a couple of cool examples of that where — even though your game is a fundamentally controller-based experience — the voice becomes this augmented menu system. Previously, you’d have to go down N number of menu trees to get to a particular feature. Now you can just say it. That’s pretty cool.
 And then movement can be subtle. While you’re playing the game, it could be just doing some very gentle movements that [Kinect] can pick up and then amplify in the world.[/quote]

Used Games

[quote]GamesBeat: There’s been a lot of chatter on particular controversial subjects leading up to this. People want to know about used games, about backward compatibility, and about the constant connection. What are some of the facts on those? Can you play used games on the Xbox One? Do you have to pay a fee?

Harrison: [b]Just like today, if you have a game disc that you buy from the store, you can play that game. The game is now installed to the hard drive. Any user who is associated with that Xbox One can play that game. I can give that game disc to my son and he can go and take it to another machine inside the house and play it on that machine. Just like today, only one of us can play it at any one time.

The difference, though — the benefit of Xbox One is that that data can roam with me. I can go to my friend’s house. I can log in as myself into his machine. I can then play that game on his machine, and while I’m logged in, he can play it as well.[/b]

GamesBeat: Do you bring your disc with you, or could you use his disc?

Harrison: Doesn’t matter, yeah. [b]If I bring my disc with me and I leave the bits on his hard drive, but he wants to play the game, he can buy the game — just like today. But in this instance, the bits were already on his hard drive, so it’s an instant switch-out. We will have a solution — and we’re not talking about the details today but just to take the angst out of this — that allows a user to trade that game back in and to give up the right to play that game.[/b]

[/quote]

An ability to trade that game back in and [b]give up the right[/b] to play that game.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Full interview link.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/23/phil-harrison-sa...

We have a couple of cool examples of that where — even though your game is a fundamentally controller-based experience — the voice becomes this augmented menu system. Previously, you’d have to go down N number of menu trees to get to a particular feature. Now you can just say it. That’s pretty cool.

And then movement can be subtle. While you’re playing the game, it could be just doing some very gentle movements that [Kinect] can pick up and then amplify in the world.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/23/phil-harrison-sa...

I like the focus on more subtle, less exaggerated movements while gaming with Kinect. I also like the sound of games where there isn't motion or the game is strictly controller based, but still benefits from voice input augmentation. I like the sound of this. And he talks like there might be a full on DVR on the console, only not for TV, just games (clearly getting off track :P)

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Full interview link.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/23/phil-harrison-says-microsoft-will-invest-1b-in-games-for-xbox-one-interview/

[quote]We have a couple of cool examples of that where — even though your game is a fundamentally controller-based experience — the voice becomes this augmented menu system. Previously, you’d have to go down N number of menu trees to get to a particular feature. Now you can just say it. That’s pretty cool.

And then movement can be subtle. While you’re playing the game, it could be just doing some very gentle movements that [Kinect] can pick up and then amplify in the world.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/23/phil-harrison-says-microsoft-will-invest-1b-in-games-for-xbox-one-interview/#fJhrctoXKQbE6PXI.99 [/quote]

I like the focus on more subtle, less exaggerated movements while gaming with Kinect. I also like the sound of games where there isn't motion or the game is strictly controller based, but still benefits from voice input augmentation. I like the sound of this. And he talks like there might be a full on DVR on the console, only not for TV, just games (clearly getting off track :P)

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

LEBATO

Since 7699 Days

What I don't get about the used game BS is why doesn't it work the same way as the current gen? If I have the game installed, do a disc check verification just to load the game--then read off the HDD. If you have the disc, you have the right to play wherever the fuck you want without restriction.

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Mods, stop changing my SIG! I'm going to end up banning you!

Phaethon360

Since 7423 Days

Posted by LEBATO

What I don't get about the used game BS is why doesn't it work the same way as the current gen? If I have the game installed, do a disc check verification just to load the game--then read off the HDD. If you have the disc, you have the right to play wherever the fuck you want without restriction.

This. All that quoted text did was duplicate the system we have right now in a convoluted way. Any system in the house? How about any system with the disc? Still didn't verify that.

Just use the disc. If it isn't broke don't fix it.

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Phaethon360

Since 7423 Days

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/gamestop-stock-c...

Posted by Joystiq

GameStop's stock concluded the trading week down 19 percent, attributable to continuing investor concerns over Xbox One's used games market solution. The most volatile decline occurred after a report out of the UK this morning claimed GameStop's margins in the pre-owned market would be affected by others taking a cut.

GameStop's stock dropped nearly 11 percent today, down $3.90/share to $32.11. At its worst, the company's stock was down to $31/share today. GameStop concluded its previous fiscal year with pre-owned video game products representing $2.4 billion in sales (27.4 percent for the year). If you want a public answer to Microsoft's used game plans, you got nothing on the company that's losing hundreds of millions in value off the situation.

Goddamn. Microsoft tried to kill Gamestop with that reveal.

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docLEXfisti

Since 7696 Days

I am still on the fence, but if they want this thing to succeed and reach their 1 billion systems sold figure (PS4 and MS combined), they better show off some really amazing games at E3.

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the only tyrant I accept is my inner voice [and my two kids ;)]

ultimate gamers threat: "Watch it, or I'll spoil you all!"

alimokrane

Since 7507 Days

These rumours or facts or whatever are making me sick now...I am tired of this all. I cant wait for E3 so we can end all this shit once and for all.... Never has a console reveal been so tiring......

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ManThatYouFear

Since 7521 Days

i can not believe OP is still defending xbox after all of this.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by LEBATO

What I don't get about the used game BS is why doesn't it work the same way as the current gen? If I have the game installed, do a disc check verification just to load the game--then read off the HDD. If you have the disc, you have the right to play wherever the fuck you want without restriction.

Well, if they were doing it the way we do it this gen, things like game suspending, instant game resumes and quick switching between games would be as good as dead. It would be, "Okay, wait, insert Witcher 3 game disc in order to proceed" or "Damn, if I want to resume playing where I left off on Halo 5, I need to go grab the disc and put it in first."

The way it would work on the X1 presumably is that you will be able to take your game disc and play anywhere, but perhaps you'll first have to release the digital ownership of that game on your own console, unless of course you choose to sign into your own account at a friend's house, and then use the game disc to install it on your friend's system as opposed to downloading it from the cloud, which would take longer than an install. Needless to say, whichever option you choose, you'd have to trust the person completely.

Person A: Takes game disc to "friend's" house. Did his due diligence by removing his digital ownership of the game from his own console.
Person B: Hey, dude come on in. Pop that bad boy in, let's get started.
Person A: Alright, so I put the game disc in like so, let it start installing, and then I sign in to your live account. Boom, done.
Person B: So, this game is now digitally owned by my Live account? Nothing else needs to be done?
Person A: Nope, all done! Let's start playing, I can't wait to...
Person B: Get the fuck out of house now, before I call the cops.
Person A: Whoa, what?
*Cops arrive* Is there a problem?
Person B: Yes, I want this person out of my house and off my property.
Person A: You asshole, give me my fucking game back! He has my copy of Forza 5.
Person B: Dude, I don't want your game. *ejects Forza 5 from Xbox One and puts it in case* Here's your disc, Take it and leave.
Person A: What the, you still haven't given me my damn game back yet!.
Person B: I already gave you your game disc, please leave. Officer?
*Officers* You already have your property sir, we will now escort you off the premises.

Posted by Phaethon360

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/gamestop-stock-closes-week-down-19/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

Goddamn. Microsoft tried to kill Gamestop with that reveal.

Posted by ManThatYouFear

i can not believe OP is still defending xbox after all of this.

I try not to see the worst in things until all is finalized and made clear. No way the console can launch without a very clear and final answer being given on all matters of importance. You either assume that they are lying about everything, or that they are admittedly responsible for a good deal of confusion and haven't really finalized all their plans yet. And once they do, they will clear the air. We will dot our i's, cross our t's, and, in Phaethon's words, we will check the receipts! I think they at least deserve the benefit of the doubt till E3. It takes a lot of balls to hold back like they did at that reveal event. I want to see what was saved for E3.

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[quote=LEBATO]What I don't get about the used game BS is why doesn't it work the same way as the current gen?  If I have the game installed, do a disc check verification just to load the game--then read off the HDD.  If you have the disc, you have the right to play wherever the fuck you want without restriction.[/quote]

Well, if they were doing it the way we do it this gen, things like game suspending, instant game resumes and quick switching between games would be as good as dead. It would be, "Okay, wait, insert Witcher 3 game disc in order to proceed" or "Damn, if I want to resume playing where I left off on Halo 5, I need to go grab the disc and put it in first."

The way it would work on the X1 presumably is that you [I]will[/I] be able to take your game disc and play anywhere, but perhaps you'll first have to release the digital ownership of that game on your own console, unless of course you choose to sign into your own account at a friend's house, and then use the game disc to install it on your friend's system as opposed to downloading it from the cloud, which would take longer than an install. Needless to say, whichever option you choose, you'd have to trust the person completely.

[quote]Person A: Takes game disc to "friend's" house. Did his due diligence by removing his digital ownership of the game from his own console.
Person B: Hey, dude come on in. Pop that bad boy in, let's get started.
Person A: Alright, so I put the game disc in like so, let it start installing, and then I sign in to your live account. Boom, done.
Person B: So, this game is now digitally owned by my Live account? Nothing else needs to be done?
Person A: Nope, all done! Let's start playing, I can't wait to...
Person B: Get the fuck out of house now, before I call the cops.
Person A: Whoa, what?
*Cops arrive* Is there a problem?
Person B: Yes, I want this person out of my house and off my property.
Person A: You asshole, give me my fucking game back! He has my copy of Forza 5.
Person B: Dude, I don't want your game. *ejects Forza 5 from Xbox One and puts it in case* Here's your disc, Take it and leave.
Person A: What the, you still haven't given me my damn game back yet!.
Person B: I already gave you your game disc, please leave. Officer?
*Officers* You already have your property sir, we will now escort you off the premises.
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[quote=Phaethon360]http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/gamestop-stock-closes-week-down-19/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

Goddamn. Microsoft tried to kill Gamestop with that reveal.[/quote]

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[quote=ManThatYouFear]i can not believe OP is still defending xbox after all of this.[/quote]

I try not to see the worst in things until all is finalized and made clear. No way the console can launch without a very clear and final answer being given on all matters of importance. You either assume that they are lying about everything, or that they are admittedly responsible for a good deal of confusion and haven't really finalized all their plans yet. And once they do, they will clear the air. We will dot our i's, cross our t's, and, in Phaethon's words, we will check the receipts! I think they at least deserve the benefit of the doubt till E3. It takes a lot of balls to hold back like they did at that reveal event. I want to see what was saved for E3.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Dying to find out what that game is..

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Sath

Since 7444 Days

That image does look nice has that Kameo/Fable/Amalur vibe going on, i got a feeling its a Kinect game though, and dont be surprised if it turns out to be one.

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KORNdog

Since 6981 Days

Posted by LEBATO

What I don't get about the used game BS is why doesn't it work the same way as the current gen? If I have the game installed, do a disc check verification just to load the game--then read off the HDD. If you have the disc, you have the right to play wherever the fuck you want without restriction.

This. There is no reason for MS to try to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

OP saying game suspension and switching would cease to function with the above method doesn't seem right either. The Xbone can switch between tasks, but i highly doubt it can switch between multiple retail games, so having the disc in the drive to play the game wouldn't be a hindrance at all.

Seriously. The system they have now with the 360 works fine. With full installs but still having the ability to swap, trade and rent games. The only reason i see them trying to find a solution to a non existent problem is because those initial comments from harrison where accurate. They did want to control and monitor the used game space by their own BS rules. I just dont think they expected the entire internet (bar OP of course) to fight back against it. So they have potentially changed their mind (i say potentially, because the polygon sources are unknowns atm)

Once MS put the TRUTH out there, and we find out we can still lend games to friends or that i can still lovefilm rentals or buy used games in a way that isn't a convoluted mess...then i might be more willing to entertain the idea of picking up an Xbone? They need to ditch mandatory kinect too though. That shit's pointless.

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[quote=LEBATO]What I don't get about the used game BS is why doesn't it work the same way as the current gen?  If I have the game installed, do a disc check verification just to load the game--then read off the HDD.  If you have the disc, you have the right to play wherever the fuck you want without restriction.[/quote]

This. There is no reason for MS to try to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

OP saying game suspension and switching would cease to function with the above method doesn't seem right either. The Xbone can switch between tasks, but i highly doubt it can switch between multiple retail games, so having the disc in the drive to play the game wouldn't be a hindrance at all.

Seriously. The system they have now with the 360 works fine. With full installs but still having the ability to swap, trade and rent games. The only reason i see them trying to find a solution to a non existent problem is because those initial comments from harrison where accurate. They did want to control and monitor the used game space by their own BS rules. I just dont think they expected the entire internet (bar OP of course) to fight back against it. So they have potentially changed their mind (i say potentially, because the polygon sources are unknowns atm)

Once MS put the TRUTH out there, and we find out we can still lend games to friends or that i can still lovefilm rentals or buy used games in a way that isn't a convoluted mess...then i might be more willing to entertain the idea of picking up an Xbone? They need to ditch mandatory kinect too though. That shit's pointless.

BLackHawkodst

Since 6464 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

I am still on the fence, but if they want this thing to succeed and reach their 1 billion systems sold figure (PS4 and MS combined), they better show off some really amazing games at E3.

Both consoles better show some compelling games at e3>

Posted by Optimusv2

Dying to find out what that game is..

Fable or Kameo?????????

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Prepare To Drop!!

Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by KORNdog

This. There is no reason for MS to try to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

OP saying game suspension and switching would cease to function with the above method doesn't seem right either. The Xbone can switch between tasks, but i highly doubt it can switch between multiple retail games, so having the disc in the drive to play the game wouldn't be a hindrance at all.

Seriously. The system they have now with the 360 works fine. With full installs but still having the ability to swap, trade and rent games. The only reason i see them trying to find a solution to a non existent problem is because those initial comments from harrison where accurate. They did want to control and monitor the used game space by their own BS rules. I just dont think they expected the entire internet (bar OP of course) to fight back against it. So they have potentially changed their mind (i say potentially, because the polygon sources are unknowns atm)

Once MS put the TRUTH out there, and we find out we can still lend games to friends or that i can still lovefilm rentals or buy used games in a way that isn't a convoluted mess...then i might be more willing to entertain the idea of picking up an Xbone? They need to ditch mandatory kinect too though. That shit's pointless.

X1 is apparently capable of suspending and resuming up to 3 retail games. How could suspend and resume possibly work if you need a disc in the drive to confirm that you really own the game before the game can start? The right disc would always need to be in there before you can resume a game. I'm actually not the only person on the internet not trashing MS about this. There are numerous places and people also taking a deep breath and waiting to see what's what.

Microsoft are making the largest ever investment they've ever made in their first party and they are releasing more games at the start of a console gen than they've ever done. They are making the biggest ever investment that they've ever made in Xbox Live, with 100% of all Xbox One games guaranteed dedicated servers. Not sure about the Kinect to proper retail breakdown of all those 15 exclusives, but it isn't exactly all dire. Forza at launch, Quantum Break looks like it has potential. It hasn't been all terrible news.

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[quote=KORNdog]

This. There is no reason for MS to try to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[b]OP saying game suspension and switching would cease to function with the above method doesn't seem right either. The Xbone can switch between tasks, but i highly doubt it can switch between multiple retail games[/b], so having the disc in the drive to play the game wouldn't be a hindrance at all.

Seriously. The system they have now with the 360 works fine. With full installs but still having the ability to swap, trade and rent games. The only reason i see them trying to find a solution to a non existent problem is because those initial comments from harrison where accurate. They did want to control and monitor the used game space by their own BS rules. I just dont think they expected the entire internet (bar OP of course) to fight back against it. So they have potentially changed their mind (i say potentially, because the polygon sources are unknowns atm)

Once MS put the TRUTH out there, and we find out we can still lend games to friends or that i can still lovefilm rentals or buy used games in a way that isn't a convoluted mess...then i might be more willing to entertain the idea of picking up an Xbone? They need to ditch mandatory kinect too though. That shit's pointless.[/quote]

X1 is apparently capable of suspending and resuming up to 3 retail games. How could suspend and resume possibly work if you need a disc in the drive to confirm that you really own the game before the game can start? The right disc would always need to be in there before you can resume a game. I'm actually not the only person on the internet not trashing MS about this. There are numerous places and people also taking a deep breath and waiting to see what's what.

Microsoft are making the largest ever investment they've ever made in their first party and they are releasing more games at the start of a console gen than they've ever done. They are making the biggest ever investment that they've ever made in Xbox Live, with 100% of all Xbox One games guaranteed dedicated servers. Not sure about the Kinect to proper retail breakdown of all those 15 exclusives, but it isn't exactly all dire. Forza at launch, Quantum Break looks like it has potential. It hasn't been all terrible news.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

Since 7423 Days

Optimus and these MS rumors :P

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