It'd be good if double posts auto-merged, or if you could edit your post while it's the last in a thread.

Just wanted to say:

FAVOURITE. SSX. EVER.

I would play more on my Wii but I find there is a lack of compelling software for me I don't deny it's there and some of whats out there is good but in all honesty, in my limited amount of time lately I can devote to gaming, I'm drawn towards Crackdown, Guitar Hero II, Halo 2 (New Maps) and a sprinkling of Boom Boom rocket. I'm just not getting the motivation to fire up my Wii at the moment.

That said I'm always watching this thread to see what's going on so by all means keep on posting. I'm liking what I see from Hotel Dusk on DS and I keep meaning to pick up Elite Beat Agents but I'm spending my commute catching up with work stuff mainly at the moment :(

So many games so little time!

Yeah, and there's an undeniable drought aswell, brought on in large part by the delay in.. just about everything.. And not development issues either, but simple publishing ones.

Trauma Center would've been a must have (for many anyway) but that's for some reason placed in JULY after having been an US launch title.

Similarly Elebits/Eledees was also chucked waaay back from its original launch window release. They did the same thing with Excitetruck, but not with Sonic and a few others, and this practice of holding launch games and bringing SOME games out when they were released in the US has created a big fat dry spot in the middle. One we're in right now.

Pacing is great and everything, but not when a lot of the stuff coming out once a week is a bit rubbish, XBLA style.

Well no worries then because I just can't help myself and post as a reflex whenever I'm excited. :D

The thing is, I can actually still enjoy Wii Sports, especially with friends. There's not much room where I have mine set up but at a mates it's still brought out.

At home though, I'm just drawn to a select few 360 games at present. I don't anticipate that changing once the beta is out. I think that is more to do with my tastes though, rather than a generic problem with the Wii, when you bear in mind the audience it's trying to attract.

Your "traditional" games, if you will, will be there when the software rolls in. I've had my fill and for a little while it can sit there sweetly and take a back seat. The people it's selling gangbusters to right now probably don't see the lack of software as a problem, hence it's success. When sales start to slow down, I imagine Nintendo will be rolling out the software to bring them back up again.

They're certainly stockpiling in Japan for the holidays/Paper Mario.

It's interesting actually, a colleague of mine is an ex game tester and has several friends still doing that. Perhaps he's jaded but he's convinced the Wii is nothing more than a fad and that next year with a price cut the PS3 will blow it out the water.

My own take on it is that I've heard the variations of the same stuff in the game press all last year, by the end of this year, the Wii could have a 2-3m unit lead on the PS3 in Japan and it's making tracks in the US/EU at a fast rate. Plus the DS says hi! In short, codswallop! I'm inclined to think I should pin him down to a friendly wager, is my money safe?

Well it's interesting because I still like the Wii when it's turned off. I mean I like it as a concept and everything it stands for, so truth is some of the reasons I love it aren't realised yet. I suppose just as I did with the DS (liked it when everyone else was busy making fun of the two screens, stylus - the whole unit essentially) I see the potential there. That's plenty for me to fill up any gaps I see in its current software lineup.

There's also the fact that the Wii almost without exception leaves a fantastic first impression with anyone who purchases it. If you're at a friend's house, unconvinced of its appeal or you're standing in a store waving the wiimote about it doens't quite have that same impact. If you do buy it and play it properly an evening it's bound to give you a RUSH with its promises of greatness. Therefore, a new Wii owner is prolly one of the most annoyingly excited people you can encounter.

After a while, people seem to either expect more from games *RIGHT THEN*, in which case they suffer an enormous backlash of boredom and regret their purchase, or they apply the same *faith* I have in that it will eventually deliver.

I think if you're at any point positive towards what the Wii can do, those are your two most likely "paths" to travel down once you own the system yourself.


I've been blessed in a way. I don't really have genres I can't possibly enjoy. I'm not a sports freak yet I can enjoy footie games and hockey games.. I'm not really into cars, yet stuff like PGR3 and even something as complex as Forza actually appeals to me. When it comes to games I'm open to pretty much anything. That also means that whatever comes out at this point for the Wii - any genre - if it's fun I'm going to enjoy it.

Meanwhile a lot of people feel that they want shooter stuff, swordplay stuff, action games et cetera and they're not really out yet. There's potential for them, you can even imagine how some things will work when those games do come out, but right now the Wii isn't quite there yet. Therefore they buy practially NO games, and with no games any console will bore you.

The Wii controls are tons of fun (as established) but they won't make up for no games.

With its popularity the games will come though, so like you say Deft, it's not an inherent flaw with the Wii itself.


Wii being a fad. I dunno. So what if it is? Playstation had CD based 3D games and people went JESUS CHRIST! when they saw Toshinden and ran out and got one. Not every game was insanely pretty, nor had snazzy CG intros, nor were they all that good, so there was a period of tansistion there too. As people did run out to get it, devs took notice of the platform as install base = money, and soon enough the amazing games came out with killer apps like FF7 and MGS.

So with the Wii I dunno. Motion controls, the sheer fun of it has people running out and buying one. When the install base is big enough the killer apps will come and it's a successful platform. It doesn't really matter (to anyone) WHY a console sells as long as it attracts devs.


I also think people are prone to hating the Wii because they're a bit scared it might be successful. I don't think people would be that passionate in expressing their disdain for it if it didn't threaten to change the industry into a fun driven, technology ignoring playground. I mean it really doesn't, but I think a lot of people believe that.

I think a lot of people think that in liking the Wii they need to take a stance and make a statement that they want to slow down the tech advancements in regards to graphics, and ditch the standard formats of games where you play using buttons and analogue sticks. Sort of like gay haters thinking accepting homosexuals equals "I like men".

This seems to lead to a generally conservative stance with comments like "I wish the Wii was more powerful!" (missing half the point) or "Microsoft could make a device like that for the 360" suggesting that the controls were optional.

Well, the Wii is an alternative. It's never going to stop the advancements made by huge companies towards hollywood collaborations and cross marketing, and in the PC space, not making games like Crysis would cripple companies like nVidia and ATi, even Microsoft themselves!

I think that's something people need to stop worrying about, and stop trying to tailor the Wii to what they want as a SINGLE STANDARD in the future. The Wii is all about breaking away from the standard, for those that got bored of it or those that want something different in addition to it.

So yeah, I think the "fad" comments and the hate are a reaction to a lot of things, based on a number of different assumptions. The numbers themselves are consistently AWESOME five months in, and none of the big guns are even out yet.

I'd prolly feel confident in betting against your friend, personally. :)

PS2 didn't have the technology to outlive Xbox and Gamecube either, but guess what? New games are announced for the system even today, and it's outselling the 360 in japan.

Maybe, just maybe, some people aren't really that fussed about the bump in visuals this gen brought with it.

The only way a system's tech won't last is if people decide it's too old. The DS is still selling like hotcakes with visuals straight out of 1996.

True, but I guess it comes down to how you define "end of the generation" . It's no secret that Sony would rather have milked the PS2 a lot more then launch a PS3 now but they had their hand forced by the competition.

Obviously they are planning for the PS3 to have a really long life cycle and if you look at it as a 10 year lifespan, sure PS3 does become much more viable for everyone. But at what cost in terms of marketshare and comparison to the competition? By the time PS3 can gain any kind of traction, Nintendo and Microsoft could be looking at new hardware.

What effect does having Sony being out of step with everybody else have? That's an interesting one. What I certainly don't agree with is the notion of this all happening in 2008. Sure the PS3 will be cheaper but so will everyone else, and probably by a similar margin.

And like Simon mentions, the Wii isn't going to go away and die. Nintendo can pull plenty of DS like tricks to keep hardware moving, different colours, the DVD Wii, Wii Mk2. The gravitas of third parties to it will only ensure it's here to stick around for a while. Whether the PS3 can create it's own market in that same environment remains to be seen I guess.

For me personally, yes. I do sometimes look at the Wii on my HDTV and just wish it supported 720p, just so it looks sharp and natural. I'm running it on component and it doesn't look disgraceful but a low def source on a high def panel is never going to look brilliant.

That said, I'm not most people and HDTV penetration is very low. Of course it's not all about HD, PS3 and 360 are of course much more powerful and look miles better even at low res but if you design with that in mind and take a punt on the majority of those mass market customers not caring it may not be so influential.

If you are of the inclination to be put off by the Wii's graphics, I would suggest you are also more likely to be of the inclination to have multiple consoles.

Certainly we are all visual people, we'll see how it pans out.

Hey! Anybody got anything on Dewy's Adventure?

Why yes I have rox:

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/782/782054p1.html

It's sooo pretty and absolutely adorable. The little Dewy on the thermometer is awesome! :D

Oh that's just too cute.
Thanks Simon :P

lol!

Brilliant! :D

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=75...

SoR2, Toejam & Earl 2 and Shining in The Darkness on VC soon! :D

Oh and Lylat Wars caught me totally off guard today, and I don't have a dime to spend on anything. :(

Oh and I felt the need to post this, because Fox looks drunk and speaks french. Hilarious!:

Well that game will be delayed until it works great, just like Metroid Prime Hunters.

Whereas Red Steel had to be released when they'd just gotten their first solution for controls working, I think Prime 3 will go through a number of different takes before arriving at one that kicks ass.

Red Steel worked, and it was fun and stuff.. but Prime 3 won't get away with being less than exceptional.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's pushed into 2008 personally, but we've got plenty of nice stuff coming in winter anyway. Galaxy and NiGHTS for instance. :O