We need a demo !

Hmm, bit pointless these screens. Dirt is really a game for motion rather than static screenshots, really. And like what's been said, if they want to show the game off, release some good replay footage instead, or better, a demo.

Uhmmm... these screens don't really help much hyping the game. Excessive bump mapping has become a trademark for Codemaster's Games.

this might be the winter of racing games, especially if GT5 comes aswell

Seeing that GT5 is now licenced by WRC, Dirt is going to have some serious competition when it comes to rally racing. But it's nice that it seems like gamers will have a choice between the (always) more realistic GT series, and the (almost always) more arcady Codemasters games.

Dude, I wouldn't hold my breath on the rally component in GT being all that great ( if you go by their past efforts, anyway). True, it's been in development for so long that they could have five full games in there, but just having a licence doesn't make it good( I don't need to give examples do I?). I better be careful though, saying that any racing game does anything better than GT could get the SDF up in arms :S

Erm, no it isn't! Why lie?

totally

tbh, that comment is just as rediculous as his seeing as we havnt really SEEN anything of the rally component of GT5...hel, we havnt seen anything of GT5...PERIOD.

Anyone else hate the direction the Colin McRae series is taking? This game looks like Need For Speed Underground on dirt tracks. The car list is pathetic. Its just 25 veichles and only 9 of those are rally cars with only 4 being remotely interesting. Blargh!

i agree, but really, it's our only option in terms of anything even approaching a rally game. so what else can we do?

ahh the post proc hurts my eyes :|

True.. and GT5 will be even further from filling that gap as a rally game. So i dont think you could consider dirt to have competition in it.

I said this before but forget all these racing games that could be mistaken for one another flooding the market. Give us a destruction derby game. When ever destruction derby is tacked on to a racing game its always without fail the most popular part of that game online (grid, flatout, as examples). You would of thought that somebody would invest in a pure derby game by now.

flatout was practically a derby game imo, at least in the same way destruction derby 1/2/raw where. but something about it just didnt feel right, nothing has really beaten DD2 imo. it has awesome tracks, and awesome destruction bowls too. shame that series is no more tbh.

i agree tho, it's weird that no-one has really taken the damage model and made a game almost based completely around it. but then at the same time i'm not sure it would work, at least not if they simply took DiRT's damage model and threw it in a derby game, one major crash and you'd be dead. what made the DD series so good was the fact it WAS'NT realistic, you could take 10,000 head on collissions and still fight on.

as i said, we really havnt seen enough of GT5 to completely rule it out, sure it may not have the content of a pure rally game (well, at least the old rally games) but in terms of DiRT i think it could be reletively good competition, if you take both games pure rally components and compare them, they really problably wont be all that different, GT5 may even have more rally tracks/ cars. which isnt hard seeing as DiRT only has a handfull. we'll see i guess. we need to see more of GT5 before we can say for sure.

i think GT5's rally component WILL be more substantial then any of the past games, otherwise they wouldnt have bothered aquiring the WRC licence....same goes for the infinately less enjoyable nascar, if there wasnt much of it i cant imagine they'd bother with the license.

I don't care about the few vehicles (if theres 2 or 3 I like to drive then I'd likely take them even if there are 100 other cars), but yea.. DiRT2 really seems to be Need for Speed with offroad cars and not an offroad or rally game anymore..

I guess Richard Burns Rally will rule supreme for a few additional years/decades.

I thought flatout was great fun online.. it mixed destruction derby from the playstation days with mario kart's "special ability" icons.

Its very strange nobody has produced a true derby game this gen.. or last gen as far as i can recall? especially like i said the proofs there that people dig it.. atleast online anyway.
Theres so many gameplay possibilitys with one too.. you could have the usual everyman for himself, team games -red v's blue, a "wingman" style game where the each pair of cars are chained together, defend/destroy the caravan, competing tricks... and then theres the races to survive on top. Combine all that with nice graphics, and this gen's physics... surely it would be a winner online?

To pull you up on the GT5 thing.. well i've not heard too much about it, but i would assume it would be akin to calling Grid good competition for the next F1 game. I cant imagine the rallying being all that much more substantial than that.

Besides which for "competition" it has to speak to that set of fans.. odds are that rally sports fans would always pick a game known to be dedicated to the sport over one that has a section on it as a passing fancy

i dont get all this talk of it following on the "coat tails"of need for speed. Wasnt NFS all about getting chased by cops not too long ago?

Hardly ridiculous when one game has been planned, buil and executed from day one to be nothing but rally with proper rallying events, whereas the other is just an aside to be bundled in with what is eseentially a tarmac racing sim. The rallying aspect of GT3 was basically a nice little bonus, but next to a previous generation game like McCrae 2, it was tripe.

the thing is, that component that is in GT5, no matter how bolted on it may appear, is still the officially licenced version of the sport, more then colin mcrae has ever been able to say, not now or ever. if you're into rally in a HUGE way, the simple fact GT5 sports the WRC label will be enough to create competition.

and DiRT isnt exactly a pure rally game either. where GT5 has track based races and nascar, DiRT has all those random race types that no rally fan is going to care about. but since there isnt a pure rally title out there this gen, i think they both will offer good competition for each other.

thats what i mean... you wouldnt buy dirt if all you wanted was a dirt buggy game. Just like you wouldnt buy Grid if all you wanted was an F3 driving game. So its doubtful, regardless of licenced cars, that people would buy GT5 over dirt should they want a rally game right?

Boycott Codemasters and get some mods for Richard Burns Rally instead :) Dirt 2 is so far down the shitter, I only recognize the rally part because of the name Colin McRae. Which they seem to be ditching anyway...

I wish we had cops in Dirt 2! No we're referring to the street racing culture NFS picked up with Underground. Where its more important how many neon lights you have under your car, how much shitty rap artists and skatepunk bands you can license, how awful your candy pink color scheme works with the overproduced dragon vinyl while doing donuts on parking lots with a fakey badattitude that tries to desperately flirt with irritating teenage boys.

Anyway, I've had enough with Codemaster's shit. Dirt was pretty bad, but still had some dignity. This on the other hand, yuck. Should be interesting to see what GT5 does with the WRC license, but stick with Richard Burns for a proper rally fix.

and i still fail to see how dirt is anything like NFS other than the fact you drive a car? - threres no neon lights earned for your car, shitty rap artists, or skatepunk bands to my knowledge.

the only hint of a neon light is on the last picture.. which i'm pretty sure is from the selection menu