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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Posted by GrimThorne
Truthfully, this wasn't a game I was going to get anyway. I haven't played the last two CODs. But this is likely to be an issue for those who actually still care what happens with this franchise.
This isn't one game. This is a trend. Keep an eye on it.

Quite a few people care about Call of Duty fwiw...
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6989 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
Infinity Ward has confirmed COD is 720p on XB1, 1080p on PS4 - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rqqa5o
Haha, are they for real? How is it possible that a current gen looking game can't run at beyond 720p on XO? Personally, I think COD games are awful but this is quite a big blow for MS whichever way you look at it.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Will people still blame the developers when it's the majority of multiplatform games?
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 7091 Days
Posted by GrimThorne
WERE to act? You just did. Congratulations!!!!
I did try to make it obvious enough for you. Wasn't sure if I could. We got half way there I guess.

I'd prefer it if you'd stay out. You clearly think you're above any of this discussion, and the less monkeys throwing shit in here the better. So scooch.

We've been able to keep the majority of the sniping out of the individual threads which is great, mission accomplished. Now everyone can have their own love in in their own personal camp and never have to worry about rational thought or logic entering their precious console's home.

And the rest of the personal jabs are going to get bouleted as well. Getting old. If you don't really care what your games look like, what features are working on which console, or anything technical, why are you in here?
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6989 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Will people still blame the developers when it's the majority of multiplatform games?
I don't see how you can't blame the devs after seeing games like Ryse and Forza. Also, BF4 looks miles better than this and still manages 720p at 60fps. To be fair though, it's mostly Microsoft's fault for being so late with the final Dev kits and drivers, I imagine a lot of XO games were rushed through the door.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Ryse is an exclusive. By Crytek. And it's also 900p. Concerning Forza: See Forza 360 vs. XB1 comparison videos.

The gap will close. A little. But it aint going away.

This isn't Infinity Ward's fault. It's not DICE's "fault" that Battlefield runs at 720p and at an unsteady clip either. It's a demanding game.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 7091 Days
Considering Crytek and Turn 10 probably helped shape the development of the console (and they are making first party exclusives) I don't think it stands to detract anything from IW. Anything that shouldn't already have been detracted at least :D.
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 6989 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
This isn't Infinity Ward's fault. It's not DICE's "fault" that Battlefield runs at 720p and at an unsteady clip either. It's a demanding game.
Agreed BF4 is a demanding game and it looks fantastic for it's demands, but COD shouldn't be demanding because it looks current gen, there are already better looking games on ps3 and 360.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Posted by Jin187
Agreed BF4 is a demanding game and it looks fantastic for it's demands, but COD shouldn't be demanding because it looks current gen, there are already better looking games on ps3 and 360.
The Xbox One version will still look better than the Xbox 360 version. And there aren't many "better looking games" on Xbox 1 that actually run at 1080p.
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anm8rjp
anm8rjp
Since 7942 Days
BF4 or COD Ghosts running at 720p doesn't really bother me in the least, considering most of you bozos, can't even tell the difference anyways, if you were actually tested on it, in a real work situation. (myself included)

But this hardware that MS is putting out, 8 years after their 360, that can do 1080 on most of their games, is a disgrace. I'd expect 60fps 1080p minimum for new hardware in 2013... but again, 720p won't matter much during this first
release of games during the launch window, because they will still look mighty fine upscaled, as most have seen in IGN's comparison of BF4.

Side by Side you can tell a difference... sometimes between 720p and 1080p, but looking at it not knowing most of you would be hard pressed to tell.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Posted by anm8rjp
Side by Side you can tell a difference... sometimes between 720p and 1080p, but looking at it not knowing most of you would be hard pressed to tell.
Is this a forum for the elderly and disabled or something?
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 5880 Days
Bozos? I'm offended.

If you have a big 1080p television, you can absolutely tell the difference. My mom could tell the difference. If you have a small TV, you wouldn't see it unless u started counting pixels
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Posted by scoobs0688
Bozos? I'm offended.

If you have a big 1080p television, you can absolutely tell the difference. My mom could tell the difference. If you have a small TV, you wouldn't see it unless u started counting pixels
Well unless it's small and high res and you sit closer to it.. in that case you'll see it even more :D
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KORNdog
Since 6649 Days
Posted by anm8rjp
Side by Side you can tell a difference... sometimes between 720p and 1080p, but looking at it not knowing most of you would be hard pressed to tell.
This thread is evidence of that sadly, but displayed natively, i can easily tell if i where playing upscaled content. I mean, i could tell games current gen where sub HD (even if it was a fractional amount) and those where smaller differences. I'm a graphics whore though and work in 3D all day...my eye is kind of tuned to it.
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Milhouse
Since 6650 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
Will people still blame the developers when it's the majority of multiplatform games?
It's possible that actual engines doesn't perfectly scale with the new XBO architecture that demands developers to do more specific XBO optimizations.

On the other side it's questionable if PS4 games can hold 1080p. It's possible that XBO that runs games at 720p has more backup for visual effects than PS4 games on 1080p. At the end of the day it looks like PS4 devs needs to do much more balancing between resolution and visuals. I guess most people will not notice the higher resolution and you will only see differences in first party games that will provide better content or visual effects.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Posted by Milhouse
It's possible that actual engines doesn't perfectly scale with the new XBO architecture that demands developers to do more specific XBO optimizations.
I'm not sure that's the developers fault, anyway. Microsoft are well aware that most of the software on their console is going to be multiplatform.
Posted by Milhouse
It's possible that XBO that runs games at 720p has more backup for visual effects than PS4 games on 1080p.
How is that possible when the PS4 has a much bigger GPU? This isn't reality.
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Sdarts
Sdarts
Since 4389 Days
Posted by anm8rjp
BF4 or COD Ghosts running at 720p doesn't really bother me in the least, considering most of you bozos, can't even tell the difference anyways, if you were actually tested on it, in a real work situation. (myself included)

But this hardware that MS is putting out, 8 years after their 360, that can do 1080 on most of their games, is a disgrace. I'd expect 60fps 1080p minimum for new hardware in 2013... but again, 720p won't matter much during this first
release of games during the launch window, because they will still look mighty fine upscaled, as most have seen in IGN's comparison of BF4.

Side by Side you can tell a difference... sometimes between 720p and 1080p, but looking at it not knowing most of you would be hard pressed to tell.
From mainly a PC gamer, I can most certainly tell the difference between 720p, 900p and 1080p, I know you said most people, perhaps that's true, but from someone who plays and watches ~90% of content on 1080p, I can definitely tell when I watch something below 1080p.

But the worrisome part is that COD: Ghosts still uses COD 4's engine, which is from 2007, and is not even close to being graphically stunning as BF4, and yet it still can't do 1080p.
Everybody knew the XBO's hardware was weaker than the PS4, but with Ryse being 900p@30fps, COD 720p@60fps, BF4 720p@60fps and FM5 1080p@60fps, but looking very close to FM4 or FH, it certainly begs the question if this 30-50% difference will remain throughout the entire next generation, of course Microsoft will further developer their development tools, but so will Sony.

Even a 30% difference is enough for me, it could mean the difference between 30fps and 60fps, or between 720p/900p and 1080p - like COD and BF4's cases, and while it may not matter to a lot of people, It definitely matters to me, because I can notice the difference and it isn't small. Also, 720p is what PS3 and X360 do, if you can't get a significantly better resolution than 8 year old hardware, then there's a problem. Yes, I know the textures will be better, have more effects, better physics and etc, but it is still 720p graphical quality.

I'm not dishing XBO, I am certain it will have great games, but like almost everybody is saying: "How do you justify paying US$/£$100 more on a less powerful/capable hardware?" Hopefully the answer isn't Kinect, because the XBO doesn't need it to work and most gamers, 3/4 to be exact - according with the X360 and Kinect sales ratio, don't want it.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 5880 Days
Posted by anm8rjp
BF4 or COD Ghosts running at 720p doesn't really bother me in the least, considering most of you bozos, can't even tell the difference anyways, if you were actually tested on it, in a real work situation. (myself included)
Just noticed he's telling us what we can and cannot see, all the while, calling us stupid for even thinking so. It doesn't bother him guys, you heard it here first.
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Unless someone is in complete denial. It is no rocket science that PS4 has specs advantage. Unlike last time where 360 had better gpu and PS3 had cpu which could do gfx as well. This time it is pretty straight forward and PS4 is also dev friendly. This was know since Feb. So once people accept it and get on with it. Eurogamer and other websites comparison won't get so many hits. Obviously both with improve. Especially games that are locked at 30fps should have lots of detail.
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Milhouse
Since 6650 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
How is that possible when the PS4 has a much bigger GPU? This isn't reality.
Because the higher resolution needs more GPU.
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scoobs0688
scoobs0688
Since 5880 Days
Posted by Milhouse
Because the higher resolution needs more GPU.
My goodness. I'm at a loss for words, just gonna step out for a bit and gather myself.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
Posted by Milhouse
Because the higher resolution needs more GPU.
They're not turning things down to hit a higher resolution on the Playstation.

The version of BF4 that DF got had more effects turned on (like AO) on the PS4 and ran at a better framerate too.
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docLEXfisti
Since 7363 Days
You think Mario is yawn? This is the most disqualifying thing you've ever written on this blog. And that says a lot in your case.

Wow. Just wow. Mario games are among the most intruiging games ever made and the formula is still working. But I guess it's like in music, the high quality stuph is for few, the generic shit for the masses.
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Milhouse
Since 6650 Days
Posted by GriftGFX
They're not turning things down to hit a higher resolution on the Playstation.
Maybe for launch games. With 40% more GPU power, but a slightly slower CPU, you simply cannot expect advantages in every area. BF4 even doesn't run at 1080p on PS4, but only 900p upscale. I really don't know why people still believe PS4 would be MUCH better.
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GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
Since 7245 Days
BF4 isn't really an "isn't even" sort of game I don't think. It's actually a very demanding game and if anything.. demands a lot of CPU power.

I'm actually already pretty impressed with how it's running on machines at these specs.

The Xbox One's graphical powerhouse (Ryse) "doesn't even" run at 1080p.. and that's tasked specifically with running on the Xbox One. I know, I know. Artistic reasons.
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