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Xbox One cloud updates may reboot your console mid-session, says Microsoft exec

Xbox One’s cloud framework will update on a regular basis and this could lead to the system rebooting mid-session, according to Xbox Live lead program manager at Microsoft John Bruno.

Bruno hosted a presentation at GDC Next yesterday entitled “On Demand Compute: Power For Games,” and IGameResponsibly was apparently there to hear what he had to say.

During the session, Bruno said that cloud-based system Xbox Live Compute has been in development for 18 months and is derived from Windows Azure tech. He conceded that the tech initially received criticsm from publishers such as Ubisoft early on, but that Respawn Entertainment was an easier sell.

Now, the studio is using Xbox Live Compute to offload many facets of Titanfall’s online play to the cloud, such as NPC AI, an more.

Touching on the issue of the Xbox One’s cloud-based updates Bruno explained, “Once in a while, rather frequently actually, the host OS will require an update, meaning the physical machine is going to get rebooted, whether your code is running or not. That’s a problematic thing for a game, and is oftentimes is in the middle of a multiplayer session, we’ve worked very hard to overcome that, but that’s not to say it’s going to be a reality in every case.”

This could be very problematic indeed. The site pressed Bruno on this issue and asked how disruptive these updates will be given Titanfall’s status as an online-only release. They also asked him about the worst-case scenario of Microsoft’s cloud servers failing altogether.

He replied, “I can’t answer that. I don’t know what the guys over at Titanfall have built into their game. It’s up to the game developer. If they want to rely more on our XBLC service, we’re happy to support that. We do provide a platform for them to persist data, but that’s up to the developer to utilize that.”

It begs the question of Titanfall’s performance without the cloud. Will it still run without cloud servers?

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[quote]Xbox One cloud updates may reboot your console mid-session, says Microsoft exec

Xbox One’s cloud framework will update on a regular basis and this could lead to the system rebooting mid-session, according to Xbox Live lead program manager at Microsoft John Bruno.

Bruno hosted a presentation at GDC Next yesterday entitled “On Demand Compute: Power For Games,” and IGameResponsibly was apparently there to hear what he had to say.

During the session, Bruno said that cloud-based system Xbox Live Compute has been in development for 18 months and is derived from Windows Azure tech. He conceded that the tech initially received criticsm from publishers such as Ubisoft early on, but that Respawn Entertainment was an easier sell.

Now, the studio is using Xbox Live Compute to offload many facets of Titanfall’s online play to the cloud, such as NPC AI, an more.

Touching on the issue of the Xbox One’s cloud-based updates Bruno explained, “Once in a while, rather frequently actually, the host OS will require an update, meaning the physical machine is going to get rebooted, whether your code is running or not. That’s a problematic thing for a game, and is oftentimes is in the middle of a multiplayer session, we’ve worked very hard to overcome that, but that’s not to say it’s going to be a reality in every case.”

This could be very problematic indeed. The site pressed Bruno on this issue and asked how disruptive these updates will be given Titanfall’s status as an online-only release. They also asked him about the worst-case scenario of Microsoft’s cloud servers failing altogether.

He replied, “I can’t answer that. I don’t know what the guys over at Titanfall have built into their game. It’s up to the game developer. If they want to rely more on our XBLC service, we’re happy to support that. We do provide a platform for them to persist data, but that’s up to the developer to utilize that.”

It begs the question of Titanfall’s performance without the cloud. Will it still run without cloud servers?[/quote]

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sanex

Since 5433 Days

I read that as reboot the Azure host "may reboot host server" not the console lol

It will be interesting how the devs use the cloud , and i would have thought there would be a number of clusters and auto failovers setup with the thousands of Azure servers?, will be interesting to see if and how this effects live gameplay? come launch.

Anyway back to football.

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scoobs0688

Since 5880 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

Yeah RYSE. Doesn't it bother anyone that the console that can handle the best looking launch-title [although 900p] isn't able to render CoD in more than 720p?

I have played CoD Ghosts on my PC [runs extremely well], but it's like day and night compared to Battlefield 4 in terms of visuals.

It will take some time before the devs use the special kinks like Tiled Resources, which only the One is capable of hardware-wise [and PC of course with DX11.2]. So the One will catch on and maybe, even surpass PS4 in terms of visuals. But would that stop you from buying your beloved Sony Santa Monica, Guerilla, Naughty Dog, Quantic Dreams etc. franchises? No, it shouldn't. Because it's about the games, not the hardware.

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GrimThorne

Since 7118 Days

Posted by sanex

I read that as reboot the Azure host "may reboot host server" not the console lol

That's because you actually took the time TO READ the article.

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docLEXfisti

Since 7364 Days

Posted by scoobs0688

I don't see any argument there, just some fancy Austin Powers picture. Always the same with you, only bla bla bla ...

Reminds me when I said I played RYSE and combat played like Batman games and you also said no [though you never played it]. Frozpot had the same impression a few posts back btw ...

So because if only you say so, we should all take that for granted? Did you even bother to look-up "tiled resources"?

Here you go:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DirectX-11.2-Tile...

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scoobs0688

Since 5880 Days

The hardware is weaker doc. This is a reality. There is no such thing as magic. It will get better as developers optimize, obviously, but this will happen w/ PS4 development too... so where are they gaining these magic leaps of visual fidelity? Ultimately, it comes down to the hardware you're given to work with. This is how it is on PC, this is how it is on consoles, and cellphones, and tablets. This. Is. Sparta.

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KORNdog

Since 6650 Days

Posted by scoobs0688

The hardware is weaker doc. This is a reality. There is no such thing as magic. It will get better as developers optimize, obviously, but this will happen w/ PS4 development too... so where are they gaining these magic leaps of visual fidelity? Ultimately, it comes down to the hardware you're given to work with. This is how it is on PC, this is how it is on consoles, and cellphones, and tablets. This. Is. Sparta.

shhhhh, some people are still hoping for the secret sauce, and they forever will be.

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Nietzsche

Since 6599 Days

This thread is such a simple reminder of how gifs really are the lamest thing on the internet. Silly fanboys...

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Jollipop

Since 7129 Days

Posted by Nietzsche

This thread is such a simple reminder of how gifs really are the lamest thing on the internet. Silly fanboys...

What's silly is how grown adults argue over console favouritism .. :/

Ironic though that Xbox fans were first to throw the "power advantage" at PS2 and PS3 users in the last 2 gens but when the shoe is on the other foot everyone is being childish all of a sudden.

Sure is funny to watch though.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

sanex

Since 5433 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

That's because you actually took the time TO READ the article.

lol

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Frozpot

Since 7004 Days

Posted by Jollipop

What's silly is how grown adults argue over console favouritism .. :/

Ironic though that Xbox fans were first to throw the "power advantage" at PS2 users in the last 2 gens but when the shoe is on the other foot everyone is being childish all of a sudden.

Sure is funny to watch though.

Fixed it for yah ;) I'd definitely agree on the PS2 area. Xbox fanboys wouldn't shut up, but the whole of this gen has been PS3 fanboys on about the Cell, 360 versions holding PS3 back, blah, blah, blah. All moot. Get the one with the games and features that appeal to you more.

I saw some guy posting how he was conflicted about buying the PS4( This is a real example, not some dig, btw) because he was interested in a couple XO exclusives. The kicker was he wasn't buying any games for the PS4 because he didn't feel drawn in by the available exclusives. So instead of getting the one with the games he wants, he gets the "more Powerful" one because of spec sheets. All the power in the world doesn't mean a hill-'o-beans if you don't like what's on it. I don't know how that's a tough decision, really. Just weird.

Posted by Nietzsche

This thread is such a simple reminder of how gifs really are the lamest thing on the internet. Silly fanboys...

You're weird ;)

Posted by docLEXfisti

I don't see any argument there, just some fancy Austin Powers picture. Always the same with you, only bla bla bla ...

Reminds me when I said I played RYSE and combat played like Batman games and you also said no [though you never played it]. Frozpot had the same impression a few posts back btw ...

So because if only you say so, we should all take that for granted? Did you even bother to look-up "tiled resources"?

Here you go:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DirectX-11.2-Tile...

While Tile-resources sound great, I wouldn't make any arguments yet that the PS4 won't have some similar tech. I was reading an interesting and very above-my-level arguments about that, lol.

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[quote=Jollipop]

What's silly is how grown adults argue over console favouritism .. :/

Ironic though that Xbox fans were first to throw the "power advantage" at [b]PS2[/b]  users in the last 2 gens but when the shoe is on the other foot everyone is being childish all of a sudden.

Sure is funny to watch though.[/quote]

Fixed it for yah ;)  I'd definitely agree on the PS2 area. Xbox fanboys wouldn't shut up, but the whole of this gen has been PS3 fanboys on about the Cell, 360 versions holding PS3 back, blah, blah, blah. All moot. Get the one with the games and features that appeal to you more.

I saw some guy posting how he was conflicted about buying the PS4( This is a real example, not some dig, btw) because he was interested in a couple XO exclusives. The kicker was he wasn't buying any games for the PS4 because he didn't feel drawn in by the available exclusives. So instead of getting the one with the games he wants, he gets the "more Powerful" one because of spec sheets. All the power in the world doesn't mean a hill-'o-beans if you don't like what's on it. I don't know how that's a tough decision, really. Just weird.

[quote=Nietzsche]This thread is such a simple reminder of how gifs really are the lamest thing on the internet. Silly fanboys...[/quote]

You're weird ;)

[quote=docLEXfisti]

I don't see any argument there, just some fancy Austin Powers picture. Always the same with you, only bla bla bla ...

Reminds me when I said I played RYSE and combat played like Batman games and you also said no [though you never played it]. Frozpot had the same impression a few posts back btw ...

So because if only you say so, we should all take that for granted? Did you even bother to look-up "tiled resources"?

Here you go:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DirectX-11.2-Tiled-Resources-Xbox,23322.html[/quote]

While Tile-resources sound great, I wouldn't make any arguments yet that the PS4 won't have some similar tech. I was reading an interesting and very above-my-level arguments about that, lol.

Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

scoobs0688

Since 5880 Days

Posted by Frozpot

I saw some guy posting how he was conflicted about buying the PS4( This is a real example, not some dig, btw) because he was interested in a couple XO exclusives. The kicker was he wasn't buying any games for the PS4 because he didn't feel drawn in by the available exclusives. So instead of getting the one with the games he wants, he gets the "more Powerful" one because of spec sheets. All the power in the world doesn't mean a hill-'o-beans if you don't like what's on it. I don't know how that's a tough decision, really. Just weird.

Exclusives don't tell the whole story, most of the more popular games are multiplatform, so buying the more powerful machine actually makes sense if those are the games you are interested in and don't have a gaming PC (those being FIFA, madden, CoD (lol), Battlefield, etc etc..)

Ultimately are any of us really super excited for RYSE, Killzone (well I am, but most people probably aren't), or dead rising 3? Well, maybe some people really are.. but overall I'd guess that no we aren't. We're buying the XB1 because Halo and Titanfall are coming and PS4 because the Naughty Gods are making something for it and we want to play whatever that might be (and to be our dedicated FIFA, CoD/BF machines). So I find the argument that the XB1 has better exclusives at launch rather stupid ... the games that people will be playing primarily are multiplatform to begin with, and the exclusives we're really excited about are coming next year.

Console launches are a funny thing. We try to justify our $400-500 purchases with these games that ultimately are kind of shit.. and yet we convince ourselves that they aren't just so we can justify buying something new and shiny. Never really thought too hard about this before but I think there's truth to it.

Also found this article studying the most "beloved" brands. Funny to see both Sony and Microsoft so high up, wonder if that's entirely due to the console wars?

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[quote=Frozpot] I saw some guy posting how he was conflicted about buying the PS4( This is a real example, not some dig, btw) because he was interested in a couple XO exclusives. The kicker was he wasn't buying any games for the PS4 because he didn't feel drawn in by the available exclusives. So instead of getting the one with the games he wants, he gets the "more Powerful" one because of spec sheets. All the power in the world doesn't mean a hill-'o-beans if you don't like what's on it. I don't know how that's a tough decision, really. Just weird.[/quote]

Exclusives don't tell the whole story, most of the more popular games are multiplatform, so buying the more powerful machine actually makes sense if those are the games you are interested in and don't have a gaming PC (those being FIFA, madden, CoD (lol), Battlefield, etc etc..)

Ultimately are any of us really super excited for RYSE, Killzone (well I am, but most people probably aren't), or dead rising 3? Well, maybe some people really are.. but overall I'd guess that no we aren't.  We're buying the XB1 because Halo and Titanfall are coming and PS4 because the Naughty Gods are making something for it and we want to play whatever that might be (and to be our dedicated FIFA, CoD/BF machines).  So I find the argument that the XB1 has better exclusives at launch rather stupid ... the games that people will be playing primarily are multiplatform to begin with, and the exclusives we're really excited about are coming next year.

Console launches are a funny thing.  We try to justify our $400-500 purchases with these games that ultimately are kind of shit.. and yet we convince ourselves that they aren't just so we can justify buying something new and shiny.  Never really thought too hard about this before but I think there's truth to it.

Also found [url=http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/check-out-top-100-beloved-brands-last-decade-153026]this[/url] article studying the most "beloved" brands.  Funny to see both Sony and Microsoft so high up, wonder if that's entirely due to the console wars?

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docLEXfisti

Since 7364 Days

Wonderful post scoobs, very productive for a change :D

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Jollipop

Since 7129 Days

Agreed the launch titles all look shit hence why I won't be getting a launch console.

I don't see me getting a PS4 until sometimes next year. I don't buy a console to be loyal or because of specs but because of games and right now neither console has a game worth plunking that much cash down for.

Fixed it for yah ;) I'd definitely agree on the PS2 area. Xbox fanboys wouldn't shut up, but the whole of this gen has been PS3 fanboys on about the Cell, 360 versions holding PS3 back, blah, blah, blah. All moot. Get the one with the games and features that appeal to you more.

Well we all knew the 360 had the more powerful graphics card, it wasn't really until the end of the generation until cell made a difference by which point it was too late. It did have better games though /cough.

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scoobs0688

Since 5880 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

Wonderful post scoobs, very productive for a change :D

90% of the time I'm just trolling for funsies.

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KORNdog

Since 6650 Days

Lets add dead rising to the list of 720p titles. (30fps too)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8885215...

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

That's impossible. The screenshots on the front page are 1080p with perfect image quality.

Which isn't good. It's the sort of game where it's difficult to tell the difference between current gen bullshots and next gen bullshots.

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raina

Since 5058 Days

Posted by Jollipop

What's silly is how grown adults argue over console favouritism .. :/

Ironic though that Xbox fans were first to throw the "power advantage" at PS2 and PS3 users in the last 2 gens but when the shoe is on the other foot everyone is being childish all of a sudden.

Sure is funny to watch though.

Grown up adults, casuals favoring Nintendo is actually more funny

If you have been observing gaming trends over 5-10yrs it is pretty easy to know . For me and some other it is pretty easy to know what is going on and what Microsoft has been doing for a long time now. Actually there was an important article somewhere I read why Microsoft came into gaming consoles. Sony made PS4 as a gaming console first that can do some other things. Microsoft did the other way round.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

Posted by raina

Grown up adults, casuals favoring Nintendo is actually more funny

Yeah. That explains the love people have for corporations. Or sports teams. It's very adult. Especially when you see the resulting behavior online.

Certainly more adult than liking Nintendo games.

Fanaticism is stupid and is not "mature."

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Frozpot

Since 7004 Days

Posted by scoobs0688

Exclusives don't tell the whole story, most of the more popular games are multiplatform, so buying the more powerful machine actually makes sense if those are the games you are interested in and don't have a gaming PC (those being FIFA, madden, CoD (lol), Battlefield, etc etc..)

Normally I'd agree, and why I said go with the system that has the games you want. My example was of someone who wasn't getting any games for his PS4. I'm guessing that includes Multiplats as well. The fact that he was upset that Ryse and DR3 were looking good to him, and making him consider an XO, was ridiculous. He's letting specs and not games dictate his decision. I feel like that is happening with a lot of people.

I have a Gaming- capable PC, but I would still rather play on console. It's weird, I played Bad Company on my 360 WAAAy more than BF3( though I did have fun with it) on my PC, and BF3 is arguably the better game. I'm actually playing Batman on PC as well( just fought DeathStroke, and It was pretty awesome!)

I'm one of the people that is really, really glad MS is doing the Multimedia hub, and it's another major factor in my decision to go with the One first.

On another note, after playing Ryse myself, I am absolutely excited for it. It went from a "neat" to my first pick. FM5 will also be awesome. I would have bought DR3 as well if it weren't a launch title as I loved the first two, and what I saw on the One Tour was impressive... So your assertions on those fronts are flawed, at least from my perspective...

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Exclusives don't tell the whole story, most of the more popular games are multiplatform, so buying the more powerful machine actually makes sense if those are the games you are interested in and don't have a gaming PC (those being FIFA, madden, CoD (lol), Battlefield, etc etc..)

[/quote]

Normally I'd agree, and why I said go with the system that has the games you want. My example was of someone who wasn't getting any games for his PS4. I'm guessing that includes Multiplats as well. The fact that he was upset that Ryse and DR3 were looking good to him, and making him consider an XO, was ridiculous. He's letting specs and not games dictate his decision. I feel like that is happening with a lot of people.

I have a Gaming- capable PC, but I  would still rather play on console. It's weird, I played Bad Company on my 360 WAAAy more than BF3( though I did have fun with it) on my PC, and BF3 is arguably the better game. I'm actually playing Batman on PC as well( just fought DeathStroke, and It was pretty awesome!)

I'm one of the people that is really, really glad MS is doing the Multimedia hub, and it's another major factor in my decision to go with the One first.

On another note, after [i]playing[/i] Ryse myself, I am absolutely excited for it. It went from a "neat" to my first pick. FM5 will also be awesome. I would have bought DR3 as well if it weren't a launch title as I loved the first two, and what I saw on the One Tour was impressive... So your assertions on those fronts are flawed, at least from my perspective...

Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Frozpot

Since 7004 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Yeah. That explains the love people have for corporations. Or sports teams. It's very adult. Especially when you see the resulting behavior online.

Certainly more adult than liking Nintendo games.

Fanaticism is stupid and is not "mature."

I'm really, really considering a WiiU for Mario Kart. It looks fantastic...

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

He's letting specs and not games dictate his decision. I feel like that is happening with a lot of people.

Or maybe people legitimately don't care about those games. I think the point was that most "AAA" games are multiplatform.

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scoobs0688

Since 5880 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

He's letting specs and not games dictate his decision. I feel like that is happening with a lot of people.

Or maybe people legitimately don't care about those games. I think the point was that most "AAA" games are multiplatform.

Correct.

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docLEXfisti

Since 7364 Days

Hey Korn, didn't IGN confirm that Dead Rising was 1080p in their hands-on preview today?

"Capcom is targeting 1080P/30fps [IGN has reached out to Microsoft for re-confirmation on this point] and at this point Dead Rising 3 is hitting that 90% of the time. The other 10% usually involved craziness like igniting and flattening hundreds of zombies at once with a steamroller-equipped, fire-spewing motorcycle – and in those cases I didn’t mind so much because of THE STEAMROLLER-EQUIPPED, FIRE-SPEWING MOTORCYCLE!"

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/06/dead-rising...

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scoobs0688

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IGN known for their excellent journalism.

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