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Since 6325 Days

Posted by KORNdog

It's to do with the content on the ui. Basically adds, tv shows, movies etc. they say they have no licences to show them...but my argument...why not just have content on there you are allowed to show. Sony has probably shown more because they have no adds on their home screen...and it seems to work.

I think TIz was recently at some event and he seemed to have access to the PS4 UI, said it was fast. Don't recall him checking it for the bone.

Oh...but they can show TV game shows and NFL games, and a movie during their Xbone reveal, but they can't do the same here? allllrighty then. lol

Tiz got to try out PS4's UI? I'm jealous. That's cool though.

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Melmoth

Since 6815 Days

To try to stay on the actual topic. From what's been confirmed (or atleast suggested):

GPU: Both have very similar GPU designs. The PS4 GPU has more cores, but at a slightly lower frequency than on the Xbox One (?). They both have confirmed to have individual custom features added on top of the original AMD design.

Memory: Both systems has 8GB system mem. Memory available to games is not finalized (?). Looking at current gen, the memory footprint used by the OS will likely be reduced over the lifespan. PS4 has higher memory bandwidth to this memory (GDDR5), but latency is higher than on the Xbox One (DDR3) memory (not comfirmed, but seems logical from what i know about memory) . The Xbox One has 32MB embedded ESRAM for framebuffer, tiled resources etc.

CPU: Both systems have the same CPU design, same amount of cores, but the Xbox One runs them at a higher frequency.

Audio: PS4 uses CPU for audio processing (?) Xbox One has dedicated audio hardware.

Now, some of this is confirmed, some is not, and then there's probably other things i've forgot, or don't have knowledge about, like the so called data-move engines and such. What all this will mean for games is hard to tell. The PS4 having more shader-cores does sound logical that it will give the machine an edge in multiplatform games where same techniques are used on both platforms. The Xbox One could have a different sweetspot for resolution, depending on how the ESRAM is used. Different rendering and effect techniques will most likely have an advantage on either platform. What are the console specific extensions they put in each of the GPU's and what effect will they have on (primarily exclusive) titles.

The Xbox One could have a noticable CPU advantage due to higher clocked cores, lower memory latency and PS4 having to do audio processing on the CPU (?). This would mean more resources for doing advanced AI, physics (which the PS4 could poll from it's extra GPU cores to compensate for.) etc. But for multiplatform games, which are much more critical to have identical simulations, AI and all, this would probably not give the Xbox One an advantage in those areas similar to the one PS4 seems to have in bruteforce GPU for graphics. For exclusive titles it's of course much more exciting to see what they can do.

Lastly, there's all the other things. The quality of the dev-tools. How optimized analyzing tools and compilers are. How good they are at reaching out to developers with technical help and knowledge. These are the variables that aren't necessarily shipped in the box, and could/will change over time.

And for people using this thread (and other blogs and articles) to decide which console they are going to buy (if they aren't buying both that is). Think about what makes YOUR gaming experience. Where does your friends play. Which ecosystem and dashboard do you feel at home at. Which features and services do you like. Which controller do you like the most (try them out both if possible, and check out the new features, like touchpad on the PS4 contorller, and feedback in the triggers on the Xbox One controller), and last but not least, which console has the games you want to play. Do like Killzone, or do you prefer Halo. Gran Turismo or Forza. Exclusives aren't many as they were 7-8 years ago, but it's still something to think about.

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To try to stay on the actual topic. From what's been confirmed (or atleast suggested):

GPU: Both have very similar GPU designs. The PS4 GPU has more cores, but at a slightly lower frequency than on the Xbox One (?). They both have confirmed to have individual custom features added on top of the original AMD design.

Memory: Both systems has 8GB system mem. Memory available to games is not finalized (?). Looking at current gen, the memory footprint used by the OS will likely be reduced over the lifespan. PS4 has higher memory bandwidth to this memory (GDDR5), but latency is higher than on the Xbox One (DDR3) memory (not comfirmed, but seems logical from what i know about memory) . The Xbox One has 32MB embedded ESRAM for framebuffer, tiled resources etc.

CPU: Both systems have the same CPU design, same amount of cores, but the Xbox One runs them at a higher frequency.

Audio: PS4 uses CPU for audio processing (?) Xbox One has dedicated audio hardware.

Now, some of this is confirmed, some is not, and then there's probably other things i've forgot, or don't have knowledge about, like the so called data-move engines and such. What all this will mean for games is hard to tell. The PS4 having more shader-cores does sound logical that it will give the machine an edge in multiplatform games where same techniques are used on both platforms. The Xbox One could have a different sweetspot for resolution, depending on how the ESRAM is used. Different rendering and effect techniques will most likely have an advantage on either platform. What are the console specific extensions they put in each of the GPU's and what effect will they have on (primarily exclusive) titles.

The Xbox One could have a noticable CPU advantage due to higher clocked cores, lower memory latency and PS4 having to do audio processing on the CPU (?). This would mean more resources for doing advanced AI, physics (which the PS4 could poll from it's extra GPU cores to compensate for.) etc. But for multiplatform games, which are much more critical to have identical simulations, AI and all, this would probably not give the Xbox One an advantage in those areas similar to the one PS4 seems to have in bruteforce GPU for graphics. For exclusive titles it's of course much more exciting to see what they can do.

Lastly, there's all the other things. The quality of the dev-tools. How optimized analyzing tools and compilers are. How good they are at reaching out to developers with technical help and knowledge. These are the variables that aren't necessarily shipped in the box, and could/will change over time.

And for people using this thread (and other blogs and articles) to decide which console they are going to buy (if they aren't buying both that is). Think about what makes YOUR gaming experience. Where does your friends play. Which ecosystem and dashboard do you feel at home at. Which features and services do you like. Which controller do you like the most (try them out both if possible, and check out the new features, like touchpad on the PS4 contorller, and feedback in the triggers on the Xbox One controller), and last but not least, which console has the games you want to play. Do like Killzone, or do you prefer Halo. Gran Turismo or Forza. Exclusives aren't many as they were 7-8 years ago, but it's still something to think about.

thesnake

Since 6092 Days

Can't find out how to pit gifs up :(

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

You're overstating the difference in the CPU and understating the difference in the GPU.

We'll start seeing the real difference from confirmed sources tomorrow, but it doesn't sound like the Xbox One has any real advantage when it comes to multiplatform releases. And it's likely that it's a more significant gap than we saw this generation. It's hard to imagine that this won't hurt Microsoft. They had nearly a years head start on the PS3, a cheaper price point, and a clear lead in multiplatform performance. Those were significant advantages and they have all disappeared. Along with most of their stable of first party developers.

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Can't find out how to pit gifs up :(

Oh thank you!

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scoobs0688

Since 5881 Days

Posted by Melmoth

To try to stay on the actual topic. From what's been confirmed (or atleast suggested):

GPU: Both have very similar GPU designs. The PS4 GPU has more cores, but at a slightly lower frequency than on the Xbox One (?). They both have confirmed to have individual custom features added on top of the original AMD design.

Memory: Both systems has 8GB system mem. Memory available to games is not finalized (?). Looking at current gen, the memory footprint used by the OS will likely be reduced over the lifespan. PS4 has higher memory bandwidth to this memory (GDDR5), but latency is higher than on the Xbox One (DDR3) memory (not comfirmed, but seems logical from what i know about memory) . The Xbox One has 32MB embedded ESRAM for framebuffer, tiled resources etc.

CPU: Both systems have the same CPU design, same amount of cores, but the Xbox One runs them at a higher frequency.

Audio: PS4 uses CPU for audio processing (?) Xbox One has dedicated audio hardware.

Now, some of this is confirmed, some is not, and then there's probably other things i've forgot, or don't have knowledge about, like the so called data-move engines and such. What all this will mean for games is hard to tell. The PS4 having more shader-cores does sound logical that it will give the machine an edge in multiplatform games where same techniques are used on both platforms. The Xbox One could have a different sweetspot for resolution, depending on how the ESRAM is used. Different rendering and effect techniques will most likely have an advantage on either platform. What are the console specific extensions they put in each of the GPU's and what effect will they have on (primarily exclusive) titles.

The Xbox One could have a noticable CPU advantage due to higher clocked cores, lower memory latency and PS4 having to do audio processing on the CPU (?). This would mean more resources for doing advanced AI, physics (which the PS4 could poll from it's extra GPU cores to compensate for.) etc. But for multiplatform games, which are much more critical to have identical simulations, AI and all, this would probably not give the Xbox One an advantage in those areas similar to the one PS4 seems to have in bruteforce GPU for graphics. For exclusive titles it's of course much more exciting to see what they can do.

Lastly, there's all the other things. The quality of the dev-tools. How optimized analyzing tools and compilers are. How good they are at reaching out to developers with technical help and knowledge. These are the variables that aren't necessarily shipped in the box, and could/will change over time.

And for people using this thread (and other blogs and articles) to decide which console they are going to buy (if they aren't buying both that is). Think about what makes YOUR gaming experience. Where does your friends play. Which ecosystem and dashboard do you feel at home at. Which features and services do you like. Which controller do you like the most (try them out both if possible, and check out the new features, like touchpad on the PS4 contorller, and feedback in the triggers on the Xbox One controller), and last but not least, which console has the games you want to play. Do like Killzone, or do you prefer Halo. Gran Turismo or Forza. Exclusives aren't many as they were 7-8 years ago, but it's still something to think about.

I realize you're trying really hard to summarize for everyone, but if you don't know what you're talking about you're just spreading misinformation and there is quite a bit of misinformation in your post.

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[quote=Melmoth]To try to stay on the actual topic. From what's been confirmed (or atleast suggested):

GPU: Both have very similar GPU designs. The PS4 GPU has more cores, but at a slightly lower frequency than on the Xbox One (?). They both have confirmed to have individual custom features added on top of the original AMD design.

Memory: Both systems has 8GB system mem. Memory available to games is not finalized (?). Looking at current gen, the memory footprint used by the OS will likely be reduced over the lifespan. PS4 has higher memory bandwidth to this memory (GDDR5), but latency is higher than on the Xbox One (DDR3) memory (not comfirmed, but seems logical from what i know about memory) . The Xbox One has 32MB embedded ESRAM for framebuffer, tiled resources etc.

CPU: Both systems have the same CPU design, same amount of cores, but the Xbox One runs them at a higher frequency.

Audio: PS4 uses CPU for audio processing (?) Xbox One has dedicated audio hardware.

Now, some of this is confirmed, some is not, and then there's probably other things i've forgot, or don't have knowledge about, like the so called data-move engines and such. What all this will mean for games is hard to tell. The PS4 having more shader-cores does sound logical that it will give the machine an edge in multiplatform games where same techniques are used on both platforms. The Xbox One could have a different sweetspot for resolution, depending on how the ESRAM is used. Different rendering and effect techniques will most likely have an advantage on either platform. What are the console specific extensions they put in each of the GPU's and what effect will they have on (primarily exclusive) titles.

The Xbox One could have a noticable CPU advantage due to higher clocked cores, lower memory latency and PS4 having to do audio processing on the CPU (?). This would mean more resources for doing advanced AI, physics (which the PS4 could poll from it's extra GPU cores to compensate for.) etc. But for multiplatform games, which are much more critical to have identical simulations, AI and all, this would probably not give the Xbox One an advantage in those areas similar to the one PS4 seems to have in bruteforce GPU for graphics. For exclusive titles it's of course much more exciting to see what they can do.

Lastly, there's all the other things. The quality of the dev-tools. How optimized analyzing tools and compilers are. How good they are at reaching out to developers with technical help and knowledge. These are the variables that aren't necessarily shipped in the box, and could/will change over time.

And for people using this thread (and other blogs and articles) to decide which console they are going to buy (if they aren't buying both that is). Think about what makes YOUR gaming experience. Where does your friends play. Which ecosystem and dashboard do you feel at home at. Which features and services do you like. Which controller do you like the most (try them out both if possible, and check out the new features, like touchpad on the PS4 contorller, and feedback in the triggers on the Xbox One controller), and last but not least, which console has the games you want to play. Do like Killzone, or do you prefer Halo. Gran Turismo or Forza. Exclusives aren't many as they were 7-8 years ago, but it's still something to think about.[/quote]
I realize you're trying really hard to summarize for everyone, but if you don't know what you're talking about you're just spreading misinformation and  there is quite a bit of misinformation in your post.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

I wouldn't really worry about the OS issues yet. They've still got dev time left on that end.

What that aint doing: changing the power and price gap.

Posted by Melmoth

Where does your friends play.

Most of my friends didn't make up their mind before all the cards were on the table. Not even the guys I thought were pretty big fanboys.

Which.. is good. Not that I'm going to follow their decisions anyway. Most of them are getting PS4's or just sitting it out entirely.

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scoobs0688

Since 5881 Days

I think you're gonna find that the hardcore gamers will all upgrade as fast as they can, and the more casual gamers won't upgrade at all until next holiday season or later.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

Posted by scoobs0688

I think you're gonna find that the hardcore gamers will all upgrade as fast as they can, and the more casual gamers won't upgrade at all until next holiday season or later.

I just bought two GTX 760's instead of a PS4 and I'm considering a Wii U. I do not think that I am a casual gamer.

I think I'd be more likely to buy a new console if I were more casually interested in playing games, even. They lack much in the library department.

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Melmoth

Since 6815 Days

i've written a "(?)" where the specs aren't confirmed, or i'm just not up to date myself. I admit that most of this tech is over my head, and by the looks of it none here's a programmer on a AAA next-gen title either, so it is what is is, same as with other tech posts here.

It was more a summarize (for myself i admit, atleast the closing paragraph). What other people considers when deciding which system to buy is ofc up to them. If it's all about one specific hardware component, price or 1 game it's ofc. their choice.

also, it was meant for discussion, and for people to fill out additional or wrong information. To get a bigger picture of what the consoles encompass, and not just the GPU speed which has only been discussed here.

(could you mention specific some of this misinformation? I've mostly excluded any numbers as i didn't just want to paste some nice numbers and very technical lingo from articles.)

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Melmoth

Since 6815 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

You're overstating the difference in the CPU and understating the difference in the GPU.

I agree that there's probably a quite larger difference between the GPU than the CPU in direct performance, and that there will probably be a bigger difference on multiplatform titles than on the current gen.

It's just that since E3 the internet is full of "The PS4 is twice as fast as the Xbox One", "The PS4 has 2GB more memory for game" and similar.

I still remember clearly how it was after E3 2005. ofc, it didn't help that Sony on their E3 conference had a slide saying the PS3 had twice as many TFLOPS in performance. The web was full of articles about how the 360 would not be able to do different kinds of rendering techniques effectively due to the eDram, how the cell in combination with the nvidia GPU would put the 360 far behind. It took quite a few years before many people realized the 360 wasn't so weak after all.

There's no denying that the picture is a little clearer this time around, with much of the hardware being built on the same technology, though i won't dismiss the Xbox One on a technical ground by the performance in the next month or two alone.

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[quote=GriftGFX]You're overstating the difference in the CPU and understating the difference in the GPU.[/quote]

I agree that there's probably a quite larger difference between the GPU than the CPU in direct performance, and that there will probably be a bigger difference on multiplatform titles than on the current gen.

It's just that since E3 the internet is full of "The PS4 is twice as fast as the Xbox One", "The PS4 has 2GB more memory for game" and similar.

I still remember clearly how it was after E3 2005. ofc, it didn't help that Sony on their E3 conference had a slide saying the PS3 had twice as many TFLOPS in performance. The web was full of articles about how the 360 would not be able to do different kinds of rendering techniques effectively due to the eDram, how the cell in combination with the nvidia GPU would put the 360 far behind. It took quite a few years before many people realized the 360 wasn't so weak after all.

There's no denying that the picture is a little clearer this time around, with much of the hardware being built on the same technology, though i won't dismiss the Xbox One on a technical ground by the performance in the next month or two alone.

Moonwalker

Since 7206 Days

http://i42.tinypic.com/2n67qqu.png

http://i39.tinypic.com/245ge3d.png

Interesting.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

Should show multiplayer.

According to Jackfrags MP looks better on PS4 than SP on the Xbox. And it's probably more noteworthy since multiplayer is also a lot more demanding. And it's also what everyone is going to be playing anyway.

Call of Duty. Battlefield 4. What happens if Destiny is next? Will the internet explode?

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Moonwalker

Since 7206 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Should show multiplayer.

According to Jackfrags MP looks better on PS4 than SP on the Xbox. And it's probably more noteworthy since multiplayer is also a lot more demanding. And it's also what everyone is going to be playing anyway.

Call of Duty. Battlefield 4. What happens if Destiny is next? Will the internet explode?

Wrong though. Soon after that post someone replied that he was clearly trolling. And please...SP looking better than MP? Just no. I think we all know that. Let's use some logic here. Gies says both campaigns are nearly identical, even though one is allegedly 720p and the other 900p, we already know from past BF games that the SP was significantly better looking than MP with added lighting and so on. But some kind of miracle must have happened, because the MP on PS4 beats the SP on X1?

No :)

Here

https://twitter.com/zjonesyy/status/39483963620985...

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

Posted by Moonwalker

Wrong though. Soon after that post someone replied that he was clearly trolling.

What? Did JackFrags say that he was "just trolling?"

Posted by Moonwalker

we already know from past BF games that the SP was significantly better looking than MP with added lighting and so on

Single player is also less demanding. They can afford to turn more of the dials up. But if the PS4 is turning those same dials up in multiplayer.... it's not as big of a leap as you think.

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KORNdog

Since 6650 Days

Posted by Moonwalker

Wrong though. Soon after that post someone replied that he was clearly trolling. And please...SP looking better than MP? Just no. I think we all know that. Let's use some logic here. Gies says both campaigns are nearly identical, even though one is allegedly 720p and the other 900p, we already know from past BF games that the SP was significantly better looking than MP with added lighting and so on. But some kind of miracle must have happened, because the MP on PS4 beats the SP on X1?

No :)

You're looking at it from the point of view the PS4's MP has added graphical niceties to better the bone's SP. But who's to say the bone's SP hasn't got REDUCED graphical niceties (on top of being lower res) which matches the PS4's unchanged MP? Just a counter theory.

Also...Gies likes to downplay any sort of negative MS news (he's worse then leadbetter from eurogamer) but the fact he's even posting those tweets must mean there is a definite difference between them. I just hope he isn't being biased with his capturing...not that it matters, jackfrag is uploading tomorrow anyway (as well ase everyone else). That'll show us what's what. Not long to wait.

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[quote=Moonwalker]

Wrong though. Soon after that post someone replied that he was clearly trolling. And please...SP looking better than MP? Just no. I think we all know that. Let's use some logic here. Gies says both campaigns are nearly identical, even though one is allegedly 720p and the other 900p, we already know from past BF games that the SP was significantly better looking than MP with added lighting and so on. But some kind of miracle must have happened, because the MP on PS4 beats the SP on X1?

No :)[/quote]

You're looking at it from the point of view the PS4's MP has added graphical niceties to better the bone's SP. But who's to say the bone's SP hasn't got REDUCED graphical niceties (on top of being lower res) which matches the PS4's unchanged MP? Just a counter theory.

Also...Gies likes to downplay any sort of negative MS news (he's worse then leadbetter from eurogamer) but the fact he's even posting those tweets must mean there is a definite difference between them. I just hope he isn't being biased with his capturing...not that it matters, jackfrag is uploading tomorrow anyway (as well ase everyone else). That'll show us what's what. Not long to wait.

GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

Moonwalker.. how does that even imply that what JackFrags said was the trolling?

"no he is trolling , he just tweeted jack 7 mins before this tweet asking which was better ? So he has no clue :)"

Who is "he" ? He is clearly not JackFrags in that sentence.

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Phaethon360

Since 7092 Days

Nathan says:

"I want xbone to look better I pre ordered it , but from rumours it's not looking good :("

"yeah I would move to ps4 if there was a considerable difference , but I don't want too"

JackFrags most likely isn't saying anything more today because he doesn't want to get in trouble with the embargo.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

He won't be so quiet after midnight. Best to discredit him now ;)

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Melmoth

Since 6815 Days

This could end up being a bigger scandal than watergate, no doubt. NSA are probably involved too, and most likely CIA too. Obama will have to step down.. oops, wrong article.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

The secrecy from the "press" is really annoying. Especially the hinting.

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KORNdog

Since 6650 Days

http://kotaku.com/rumored-xbox-one-launch-issues-l...

Doesn't really add anything, but thought i'd post it.

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Moonwalker

Since 7206 Days

http://s2.postimg.org/61z05qlu1/Unbenannt_1.jpg

Just to show you how much shit is being said and there's no telling what is true anymore.

It will be all fine.

Source?: A insider of mine.

lmao.

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KORNdog

Since 6650 Days

Oh, another polygon employee...a website funded by $750k from MS's deep, deep pockets. They've been MS PR since day 1. Come on, you know better then that.

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GriftGFX

Since 7246 Days

There is a such things as verified sources. It's not like all rumors are created equal.

I agree that the OS issues should not really be the center of attention here. No one has the day-one patch, right?

People should be more caught up on what isn't going to change in the weeks after launch.

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gym4life

Since 5771 Days

Any more info on this rumor?

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=8753213...

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