Hence why i used "" initially. I do think it is relevant to MS's plan for the series though. I'll be fatiqued as hell by then...hell, i am now...if it wasn't for the new studio potentially doing "new" things i'm not sure i'd even bother playing this one.

I dont know Crysis 1 and 2 just felt like the same Experience to me?

I dont think he is saying its a defense, just a fact of the industry, i bet Bungie have been roped into a million games by Activision as well.

You're preaching to the choir dude. I call out zelda, FF, mario and COD for the same thing. It isn't like i'm "picking" on halo.

Ok so the last few pages have been hilarious LMAO!

:)

Guess we will see how that pans out then?

Nah just the last 2, oh and all of you and Ops arguments of course, you are the ying to his yang, you complete each other... lol.

Fair enough, but i'm speaking in general too. People tend to call Halo on having too many sequels more than these other series.It was never meant to be a "defense" seeing as how they aren't doing anything wrong. It's just FACT. These series have been running far longer than Halo, again i see people calling Halo out for having too many sequels far more than i do these other series. Also it seems my point of "complaining about there being too many sequels to a franchise is silly to begin with".

Just seems like Bias to me, plain and simple. People aren't going to complain about their favorite games series getting sequels, but they will piss and moan about a series they don't like getting more sequels, just sayin.

lol :D

Actually the contract they have with Activision isn't much different than what they have with MS. The biggest difference is yes they own the property, but they will be making this next series for the next 10 years if you read the actual document detailing the agreement.

Except i just did that in regards to uncharted...a series i love...i don't like sequal-itus for any franchise, they lose impact with every one released. Take GOW. I like the series a lot, and even though absolution isn't a numbered sequel, I'm done after it, its losing momentum, getting fatigued...getting samey, getting boring. Halo has been through the same for me. The thought of 9 makes me feel sick. Same as it would for GOW or uncharted, or gears, or LBP or even my current fave, borderlands. 9 of any game is overkill.

If i continue to enjoy each one then the more the better i say.

@Fabreeze: very weird very fast lol.

Some nice new bits of info on Spartan Ops.

http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1598238/halo_4_de...

Cant wait to watch the first CG episode.

No way I'd ever get dominated like that. I would at least need to be the one in control, and as you can tell, the one in front is clearly not in control.

To broaden the discussion a bit, I think Bungie was already headed in the COD route, or at least taking some influences from COD.

Remember the opening mission in COD on the ship when you had to jump from the ship, and then you looked like you were slipping and had to be caught by a teammate. A similar thing was done, albeit without the slipping part, in Halo Reach. And it was Jorge who caught Noble Six as he jumped from a huge tower towards the rest of noble team.

You know those scenes later in COD, like when the guy is on the ground in first person pov slightly disoriented by what's going on around him later in the game, the part where he gets tossed the gun at the end of COD4? A similar thing sorta happens in Halo Reach when an elite with an energy sword pops up out of nowhere, and Noble Six becomes disoriented for a bit, and then picks up his gun and proceeds to head after the elite with Jorge.

Then, you know the nuclear explosion scene in COD4? A similar kinda thing occurs when Jorge tosses Noble Six out of the Covenant ship while in space, and then the nuclear explosion goes off, killing Jorge and you have the chance to view the entire thing from a first person pov.

Even the way in which Noble Six goes out in the end, it's a presentational trick that's very reminiscent of how COD has been known to do things since the first Modern Warfare. So, even before 343, Bungie was sorta already taking a page out of that book. You could even say the first person pov of Noble Six holding his helmet in his hand and then putting it on, is also a nod in the direction of this type of first person immersion.

You know that stuff that 343 has been showing for when an elite gets in the Chief's face, and the Chief dishes out a punch or whatever. Similar thing here in Reach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY9TL3Ikt4w&playnex...

So, there are very strong similarities that Bungie was headed in this direction as far as campaign is concerned, and just as I was happy to see Bungie do these sorts of things, I'm happy to see the kinds of evolutions that 343 are making to the traditional Halo formula.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4EILv3kYKQ

LOL, gets me every time.

Because they are cool and dramatic...

I know that's why they use them, and I agree with every single one of their uses, but a lot of folks, especially on other sites, seem to accuse 343 of just putting COD style stuff into Halo and how Bungie would never, ever do such a thing. I was just trying to point out the very clear similarities that often get overlooked, and that Bungie was already headed down this path.

These cool and dramatic additions are necessary in this day and age, even scenes such as the controllable elevator shaft section that we saw, and especially some scripted sections that aide with the telling of the story and with the setting of the atmosphere. And they've been around for some time, but no first person shooter, to my knowledge, and had ever used them quite as effectively, or with the level of impressiveness that I thought COD4 did.