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Since 6662 Days

Posted by Jollipop

I know this and so do you. (i think)

But i still think people are hoping for too much from LO, especially where the battle engine is concerned.

Graphically it is darker and less anime inspired than your average JRPG, but gameplay and story wise it's guna be as generic as ever.

Which is a plus for me, but not so much for you and many others.

What makes you say the story will be generic?? you must be reading info from a different game, as all what i have heard about the story it is going to be anything but generic!

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Jollipop

Since 6685 Days

It just seems quite generic to me, besides the immortality part.

What have you heard that suggest it won't be anymore generic than what BD turned out to be.

To be honest i haven't heard much about the story at all.

There is a strong theme around old mysterious machinery and such, but then this has also been seen in FF games in the past.

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Since 6662 Days

Posted by Jollipop

It just seems quite generic to me, besides the immortality part.

What have you heard that suggest it won't be anymore generic than what BD turned out to be.

Allot more than just the immortality part, its a dark mature story.. i would go off and get you more info but its late in the uk and i cant be arsed!! LO is the complete opposite to BD, thank god.. (off to bed now, i'll answer any other questions you may have tomorrow jolli)

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Since 6694 Days

Oh god Jolli why would you even call Lost Odyssey generic? I mean I know people that watch anime will instantly be able to spot a bunch of anime / japanese inspired cliches, but there are different levels of it that are acceptable.

I know Blue Dragon has cliches. I know Lost Odyssey will have some too like the drunken guy who is apparently a pervert and treats women as sex objects and I'm sure there will be many many more, but to call it generic when its one of the most exciting looking rpgs to show up in so many years is kinda crazy I think. Its one thing to say there will be cliches, but label the entire thing generic.... *head explodes*

Blue Dragon is going to sell better than Eternal Sonata I'm pretty much already sure of that.

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Jollipop

Since 6685 Days

Posted by dcdelgado

Allot more than just the immortality part, its a dark mature story.. i would go off and get you more info but its late in the uk and i cant be arsed!! LO is the complete opposite to BD, thank god.. (off to bed now, i'll answer any other questions you may have tomorrow jolli)

I'm also in the UK, so i realise its late, but i think thats just a way for you to get of the hook, so to speak.

It's no more mature than say FF7 in my eyes, only the art style makes you think it is.

LOL Optimus you don't have to get on the deffensive, it's my most antiapted games on the 360, but i'm just saying it how it is.

I expect it to be very much like FF7 to be honest, i have yet to see LO show us anything unique in terms of story line of gameplay, so until i do, i won't consider it to be anything but another generic JRPG.

Being generic is hardly a bad thing, I love JRPG's and anime after all.

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Since 6777 Days

I'm with Jolli on this one too. I'm looking forward to Lost Odyssey, but it is generic. The can't die theme is a nice touch, but so far all the info on the game has a generic feel. That's not really a bad thing though. It is what it is

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NeoNemesis

Since 6514 Days

This game looks mediocre. Seriously, that preview tried to make it sound good, but you know thats just BS.

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SwissMiss

Since 6574 Days

I think The Last Remnant has the potential to be very good...I am looking forward to watching some footage; I expect they will release them in July during E3 :D

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Since 6694 Days

If Lost Odyssey is generic every single game in the 360 lineup is generic. Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Halo 3, Alan Wake its a very long list my friends.

Generic to me is something that appears to have no proper sense of identity or anything unique about it that can interest a large amount of people because they look at it and see something that looks uninspired or doesn't have a great vision. It can't interest them because they've seen it time and time again.

Lost Odyssey does not quality as such.

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

gmulis

Since 6590 Days

lates wait and see

i wish SE would stop concetrating on rpg's too much espially FFand DQ i've never seen a company concretate on one genre. SE should in venture into adventure games

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Since 6777 Days

Posted by Optimus

It can't interest them because they've seen it time and time again.
Lost Odyssey does not quality as such.

yeah it does. There isn't a single thing shown or talked about of Lost Odyssey(well worth mentioning) that I haven't seen in a least 1 Final Fantasy game, or any other JRPG to that matter. Stop being a drama queen, we're not saying that's a bad thing. Pretty much all JRPGs are as such.

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Posted by kenshin2418

yeah it does. There isn't a single thing shown or talked about of Lost Odyssey(well worth mentioning) that I haven't seen in a least 1 Final Fantasy game, or any other JRPG to that matter. Stop being a drama queen, we're not saying that's a bad thing. Pretty much all JRPGs are as such.

Drama queen my ass there isn't a single thing shown or talked about of Gears of War, Mass Effect that hasn't been done in tons of other sci-fi games/movies. Halo 3 race of aliens trying to destroy mankind, Too Human race of machines trying to destroy mankind, Mass Effect race of machines trying to destroy mankind. I wonder how many connections I'd be able to make between Mass Effect, Star Trek, Battlestar Gallactica, Terminator, Matrix and a ton of other sci-fi out there? Gears of War race of locust trying to destroy mankind.

Its so easy to pick a single aspect of a game ignoring everything else it potentially offers and try to claim its generic and just like everything else out there. In Lost Odyssey when mortal characters die you have a choice of draining their talents or abilities in vicious fashion or you can leave them be to die in peace and what you decide to do will have an impact on the game. So using Final Fantasy 7 as an example tifa could die in a battle and be dead for good and depending what you choose to do to her after she's dead will have an impact on the game? I haven't played many jrpgs that do such a thing so like I don't see how its generic. We don't know a thing about the character, we don't know why he's even immortal in the first place, we don't know a thing about this life.

A game being called generic is a bad thing not a good thing. Is it generic because its turn based? Has a fixed camera? Simply because its a jrpg? I didn't mean a single word of what I said about any of the games up top including Mass Effect, but shouldn't we allow the game's story, characters, art ultimately decide if its a generic experience? Last Remnant I think has a generic looking artstyle so far, but I've seen so little so maybe that isn't entirely the case. I understand saying a character design is generic, or a premise or plot is generic, but the entire thing generic?

Answer me 3 things

#1 By your logic is Mass Effect generic?
#2 All JRPGS are automatically generic?
#3 What is the reason you're looking forward to Lost Odyssey in the first place?

Whatever your answer to #3 is will be why the game isn't generic

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[quote=kenshin2418]
yeah it does. There isn't a single thing shown or talked about of Lost Odyssey(well worth mentioning) that I haven't seen in a least 1 Final Fantasy game, or any other JRPG to that matter. Stop being a drama queen, we're not saying that's a bad thing. Pretty much all JRPGs are as such.[/quote]

Drama queen my ass there isn't a single thing shown or talked about of Gears of War, Mass Effect that hasn't been done in tons of other sci-fi games/movies.  Halo 3 race of aliens trying to destroy mankind, Too Human race of machines trying to destroy mankind, Mass Effect race of machines trying to destroy mankind.  I wonder how many connections I'd be able to make between Mass Effect, Star Trek, Battlestar Gallactica, Terminator, Matrix and a ton of other sci-fi out there?  Gears of War race of locust trying to destroy mankind.

Its so easy to pick a single aspect of a game ignoring everything else it potentially offers and try to claim its generic and just like everything else out there.  In Lost Odyssey when mortal characters die you have a choice of draining their talents or abilities in vicious fashion or you can leave them be to die in peace and what you decide to do will have an impact on the game.  So using Final Fantasy 7 as an example tifa could die in a battle and be dead for good and depending what you choose to do to her after she's dead will have an impact on the game?  I haven't played many jrpgs that do such a thing so like I don't see how its generic.  We don't know a thing about the character, we don't know why he's even immortal in the first place, we don't know a thing about this life.

A game being called generic is a bad thing not a good thing.  Is it generic because its turn based?  Has a fixed camera?  Simply because its a jrpg?  I didn't mean a single word of what I said about any of the games up top including Mass Effect, but shouldn't we allow the game's story, characters, art ultimately decide if its a generic experience?  Last Remnant I think has a generic looking artstyle so far, but I've seen so little so maybe that isn't entirely the case.  I understand saying a character design is generic, or a premise or plot is generic, but the entire thing generic?

Answer me 3 things

#1 By your logic is Mass Effect generic?  
#2 All JRPGS are automatically generic?
#3 What is the reason you're looking forward to Lost Odyssey in the first place?

Whatever your answer to #3 is will be why the game isn't generic

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Since 6777 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Answer me 3 things

#1 By your logic is Mass Effect generic?
#2 All JRPGS are automatically generic?
#3 What is the reason you're looking forward to Lost Odyssey in the first place?

Whatever your answer to #3 is will be why the game isn't generic

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2. I like hot pockets
3. Go fly a kite

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Since 6694 Days

Guess I shoulda expected such an answer.

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Since 6777 Days

yeah, it was a pretty generic answer

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Posted by kenshin2418

yeah, it was a pretty generic answer

Damn you :)

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October 20th 2007 (A good day)

Since 6777 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Damn you :)

and that's the end of that chapter ;)
*throws scarf around neck*

So yea, back to Last Remnant, wait and see mode confirmed. :P

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Since 6694 Days

Posted by kenshin2418

and that's the end of that chapter ;)
*throws scarf around neck*

So yea, back to Last Remnant, wait and see mode confirmed. :P

Agreed I like some of the things said about combat and the camera though so I look forward to seeing that. Then again with it being early maybe all the art isn't even finished for the characters yet. The conquerer looks cool, but I really hope Rush looks badass (he has to)

Still don't like the thought of picking where you travel to though. That sorta thing is fine for a game like Mass Effect where the technology aspect is there but I don't know in this one. If each town is built around these special remnants they're missing out on a major opportunity to make the first time you spot these things a memorable moment. The player should have the feeling of adventuring his way there. I hope what they did was a result of just it being early.

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SimonM7

Since 6825 Days

Generic to me is a decidedly negative thing, so even though I'd consider the story in the average jRPG as largely predictable as far as the overarcing plot is concerned, they usually have way too much flair and character to be considered generic by me.

Generic to me is when everything is stale, uninteresting and boring. When characters are one dimensional, charmless and unsympathetic in every way, and any interest in the story is essentially non-existant. Because colour and funky hairstyles are so prevailent in jRPG, and because inspiration is drawn from so many different cultures and eras, it's difficult for them to really be generic for me.

I also think this notion of "mature" stuff that seems to be common in the west, that humourless, colourless stuff with blood and suffering is somehow better is a great threat to what inherently makes jRPG delightful. Moogles running around the town of Rabanastre adds so much of the charm I think is important. Hell, all of Blue Dragon oozes charm. Both Moogles and Blue Dragon would prolly be deemed "kiddy" by a majority of western gamers.

As long as there's stuff in there that dazzles your senses, be it beautiful, colourful vistas, the orchestrated music, the wonderfully quirky characters and heartfelt charm, I don't see how they could ever become generic.

It's only when it gets too serious, too "16 year old's definition of mature" that it risks losing that charm.

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Generic to me is a decidedly negative thing, so even though I'd consider the story in the average jRPG as largely predictable as far as the overarcing plot is concerned, they usually have way too much flair and character to be considered generic by me.

Generic to me is when everything is stale, uninteresting and boring. When characters are one dimensional, charmless and unsympathetic in every way, and any interest in the story is essentially non-existant. Because colour and funky hairstyles are so prevailent in jRPG, and because inspiration is drawn from so many different cultures and eras, it's difficult for them to really be generic for me.

I also think this notion of "mature" stuff that seems to be common in the west, that humourless, colourless stuff with blood and suffering is somehow better is a great threat to what inherently makes jRPG delightful. Moogles running around the town of Rabanastre adds so much of the charm I think is important. Hell, all of Blue Dragon oozes charm. Both Moogles and Blue Dragon would prolly be deemed "kiddy" by a majority of western gamers.

As long as there's stuff in there that dazzles your senses, be it beautiful, colourful vistas, the orchestrated music, the wonderfully quirky characters and heartfelt charm, I don't see how they could ever become generic.

It's only when it gets too serious, too "16 year old's definition of mature" that it risks losing that charm.

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Since 6662 Days

Posted by Jollipop

I'm also in the UK, so i realise its late, but i think thats just a way for you to get of the hook, so to speak.

Whatever Mr Jolli!!

Just SOME of the info that Interest me in the game is all the below, plus the fact that its the first jrpg that i will be playing. As Ops said generic can be said of almost every AAA next-gen game out there, so to lable it as such as a gamer is a bit silly dont you think?, as talking in depth about games is what this forums about.

Quotes that have me interested: Via Gamespot/IGN/1UP ect....

** It's an action role-playing game set in a world that is equal parts fantasy and science fiction. The game stars five immortal heroes who have lived for 1,000 years. Apparently, 30 years ago, a strange new power brought "magic energy" to the world. This energy was integrated into everything from technology to warfare, but of course, the power comes with some serious consequences. **

** The final scene we saw was of a submarine entering an underwater structure. Apparently, there are several sequences in the game where you'll control a submarine and cruise the depths of the ocean. You'll have complete control of the vessel, but what you'll actually do with it remains to be seen. The video we watched was a short render of a sub spiraling up an iridescent column that looked like something from a science-fiction movie **

** We now have a few hints at something resembling a gameplay system for Lost Odyssey. Kaim, who's apparently of royal lineage and is physically weak, can suck skills and power from the more mortal folk who surround him. Doing this will result in some cool effects that Sakaguchi is not ready to reveal just yet. Whatever emerges from your vampire session will be customizable by the player. **

** First, it's clear that Lost Odyssey targets a more adult audience. ** SOLD!

*** Though we didn't see any combat, Sakaguchi reiterated his promise to add new and innovative features to the turn based RPG genre. Real time combat elements will exist within the system, but which promised innovations will exist is still unclear. ***

*** From Sakaguchi's explanation, it seems that when an enemy dies in battle, then the ones who haven't died yet will be able to extract their power and use it for themselves. In addition to that, Sakaguchi explains that since the game has a hero (Kaim) that can never die, there's no possibility of getting a 'Game Over' screen. ***

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I'm also in the UK, so i realise its late, but i think thats just a way for you to get of the hook, so to speak.
[/quote]

Whatever Mr Jolli!!

Just SOME of the info that Interest me in the game is all the below, plus the fact that its the first jrpg that i will be playing. As Ops said generic can be said of almost every AAA next-gen game out there, so to lable it as such as a gamer is a bit silly dont you think?, as talking in depth about games is what this forums about.

Quotes that have me interested: Via Gamespot/IGN/1UP ect....

** It's an action role-playing game set in a world that is equal parts fantasy and science fiction. The game stars five immortal heroes who have lived for 1,000 years. Apparently, 30 years ago, a strange new power brought "magic energy" to the world. This energy was integrated into everything from technology to warfare, but of course, the power comes with some serious consequences. **

** The final scene we saw was of a submarine entering an underwater structure. Apparently, there are several sequences in the game where you'll control a submarine and cruise the depths of the ocean. You'll have complete control of the vessel, but what you'll actually do with it remains to be seen. The video we watched was a short render of a sub spiraling up an iridescent column that looked like something from a science-fiction movie **

** We now have a few hints at something resembling a gameplay system for Lost Odyssey. Kaim, who's apparently of royal lineage and is physically weak, can suck skills and power from the more mortal folk who surround him. Doing this will result in some cool effects that Sakaguchi is not ready to reveal just yet. Whatever emerges from your vampire session will be customizable by the player. **

** First, it's clear that Lost Odyssey targets a more adult audience. ** SOLD!

*** Though we didn't see any combat, [b]Sakaguchi reiterated his promise to add new and innovative features to the turn based RPG genre. Real time combat elements will exist within the system[/b], but which promised innovations will exist is still unclear. ***

*** From Sakaguchi's explanation, it seems that when an enemy dies in battle, then the ones who haven't died yet will be able to extract their power and use it for themselves. In addition to that, Sakaguchi explains that since the game has a hero (Kaim) that can never die, there's no possibility of getting a 'Game Over' screen. ***

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Jollipop

Since 6685 Days

Well you do say this will be the first JRPG you will be playing, it's about all i play, so i kind of have a different feel for JRPG and what to expect from them.

As i said though, many of the things in LO I have seen time and time again in other JRPG's, i do agree that generic can be considered a negative word but it wasn't intended as such.

Anyways of the top of my head.

** Apparently, 30 years ago, a strange new power brought "magic energy" to the world. This energy was integrated into everything from technology to warfare, but of course, the power comes with some serious consequences. **

Sounds a bit familiar, but i can't think what from.. hmmm (perhaps FF11 and how they used magicite)

** The final scene we saw was of a submarine entering an underwater structure. Apparently, there are several sequences in the game where you'll control a submarine and cruise the depths of the ocean. You'll have complete control of the vessel, but what you'll actually do with it remains to be seen. The video we watched was a short render of a sub spiraling up an iridescent column that looked like something from a science-fiction movie **

Did anyone remember the submarine in FF7 .. hmm ?

** We now have a few hints at something resembling a gameplay system for Lost Odyssey. Kaim, who's apparently of royal lineage and is physically weak, can suck skills and power from the more mortal folk who surround him. Doing this will result in some cool effects that Sakaguchi is not ready to reveal just yet. Whatever emerges from your vampire session will be customizable by the player. **

Many FF games have had royal members as part of the party make up, FF8 also allowed players to draw magic from the enemies and store later on for use in battle.

*** Though we didn't see any combat, Sakaguchi reiterated his promise to add new and innovative features to the turn based RPG genre. Real time combat elements will exist within the system, but which promised innovations will exist is still unclear.

Sakaguchi also said the same of Blue Dragon and although it had some neat features it really didn't bring anything new to the genre.

** First, it's clear that Lost Odyssey targets a more adult audience. ** SOLD!

As i said it looks to be no more Adult than FF7 or FF8, expect the art style is less anime inspired.

*** From Sakaguchi's explanation, it seems that when an enemy dies in battle, then the ones who haven't died yet will be able to extract their power and use it for themselves. In addition to that, Sakaguchi explains that since the game has a hero (Kaim) that can never die, there's no possibility of getting a 'Game Over' screen. ***

Granted this is a new feature and an interesting one, although not having a game over is kind of bizarre as JRPG's tend to get progressively harder, without a gameover it will make the game seem easy, unless you get penalised for dying, loosing equipment, items or level status for example.

As i said though, it's my most anticipated game on the 360, i just don't think it will bring much new to the genre, although i suppose if it gets more 360 users into JRPG's its a good thing at the end of the day.

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Well you do say this will be the first JRPG you will be playing, it's about all i play, so i kind of have a different feel for JRPG and what to expect from them.

As i said though, many of the things in LO I have seen time and time again in other JRPG's, i do agree that generic can be considered a negative word but it wasn't intended as such.

Anyways of the top of my head.

[quote]** Apparently, 30 years ago, a strange new power brought "magic energy" to the world. This energy was integrated into everything from technology to warfare, but of course, the power comes with some serious consequences. **[/quote]

Sounds a bit familiar, but i can't think what from.. hmmm (perhaps FF11 and how they used magicite)

[quote]** The final scene we saw was of a submarine entering an underwater structure. Apparently, there are several sequences in the game where you'll control a submarine and cruise the depths of the ocean. You'll have complete control of the vessel, but what you'll actually do with it remains to be seen. The video we watched was a short render of a sub spiraling up an iridescent column that looked like something from a science-fiction movie **[/quote]

Did anyone remember the submarine in FF7 .. hmm ?

[quote]** We now have a few hints at something resembling a gameplay system for Lost Odyssey. Kaim, who's apparently of royal lineage and is physically weak, can suck skills and power from the more mortal folk who surround him. Doing this will result in some cool effects that Sakaguchi is not ready to reveal just yet. Whatever emerges from your vampire session will be customizable by the player. **[/quote]

Many FF games have had royal members as part of the party make up, FF8 also allowed players to draw magic from the enemies and store later on for use in battle.

[quote]*** Though we didn't see any combat, Sakaguchi reiterated his promise to add new and innovative features to the turn based RPG genre. Real time combat elements will exist within the system, but which promised innovations will exist is still unclear. [/quote]

Sakaguchi also said the same of Blue Dragon and although it had some neat features it really didn't bring anything new to the genre.

[quote]** First, it's clear that Lost Odyssey targets a more adult audience. ** SOLD![/quote]

As i said it looks to be no more Adult than FF7 or FF8, expect the art style is less anime inspired.

[quote]*** From Sakaguchi's explanation, it seems that when an enemy dies in battle, then the ones who haven't died yet will be able to extract their power and use it for themselves. In addition to that, Sakaguchi explains that since the game has a hero (Kaim) that can never die, there's no possibility of getting a 'Game Over' screen. ***[/quote]

Granted this is a new feature and an interesting one, although not having a game over is kind of bizarre as JRPG's tend to get progressively harder, without a gameover it will make the game seem easy, unless you get penalised for dying, loosing equipment, items or level status for example.

As i said though, it's my most anticipated game on the 360, i just don't think it will bring much new to the genre, although i suppose if it gets more 360 users into JRPG's its a good thing at the end of the day.

Marumaro for the WIN !!