The titles they made were at least published by Sony. That's what I mean when I say First Party.

And the Ratchet games were all highly enjoyable and high quality game releases for me. Even if some turned out not as strong as hoped, they were still always in another class to the resistance titles. The difference between a ratchet game and a resistance game to me is you could genuinely feel like Insomniac had a lot of fun making a ratchet game. With resistance, it always came off like a race against time to ship the game in order to save someone's life.

Op you didnt play any of the resistance games, be honest. Your ability to BS is a true wonder

Couldn't disagree more tbh. I felt like insomniac had way more fun making resistance 3 then they did ratchet and clank all 4 one. All 4 one (and fuse) feel like they where obligated to make something because their publishers (Sony and then EA) told them to. Resistance 3 felt like they where getting everything right, hitting their stride, and creating something great, and they knew it. (Sadly didn't sell very well)

They're a very hit and miss developer really. Half the ratchet games are "eh", resistance 2, bar it's visuals, was "eh", and fuse is "eh".

Their track record, especially of late seems bit, confused...a bit...heartless. Maybe this will put the, back on the right track. My hopes just arn't very high, is all.

Still not buying that damned console but whoever took the below decision should have taken all other decisions messed up my Microsoft.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/15/microsoft-to-sell-...

I'll be interested to see what direction/subjects are discussed for MajorNelson's next podcast. I haven't listened to his podcasts in years, but I might listen to his next one depending on subject matter.

Do you play games that you think look like complete and utter trash? Seriously, do you? When do you plan on getting Ryse? Am I right in saying that you will likely never play that game? You regularly get on here and talk about games such as Halo 4 that you clearly haven't played, and yet somehow still seem to agree with specific negative opinions about, like you just know the negative opinions about the game are the ones that are more valid than the positive ones. How does that work? You're allowed to pass judgment on a game you basically admitted to not playing yourself, but others aren't allowed to do the same? See how easy it was to repaint that argument and send it right back at you? I've studied Resistance and all games that have followed about as much as a gamer looking to learn more about a game could study a game, and I wasn't excited nor interested in playing any of what I saw. Is that my fault? Is it the game's fault? I blame the game for not even coming close to convincing me that it's worth my time. I gave the first uncharted a pass, but then I still gave Uncharted 2 a fair opportunity to sell me on a franchise that failed to do so in the first iteration, and boy did it ever. Resistance had 3 tries and failed miserably Why did it fail? Who cares, it isn't really for anybody to understand but me, since I'm the person who's going to decide whether or not to make a purchase.

Tifanfall and Destiny with far less shown of the available resistance games, have already convinced countless gamers that those two games are indeed worth their time. By your logic, how would they even be able to take such a level of interest in the first place? Surely nobody on this forum has played Destiny and Titanfall yet, am I right?

There's nothing remotely compelling or exciting looking about Resistance. It looks like a generic mess of a shooter and always has, and most gamers seem to be in agreement about this. There's a reason that hardly anybody on any of these forums has treated Insomniac making an Xbox One exclusive as some sort of big deal. That said, want to know which Insomniac games I have played? Their Ratchet and Clank games from this generation, and their Spyro games on the PS1. Those games, to me, are where Insomniac's real strength as a developer lies. There's a reason why they are getting hammered for the generic mess that is Fuse, and Resistance is cut from the exact same cloth. The success of Resistance is why Insomniac believed they could get away with Fuse. Tell me, who in here has actually played Fuse? Do you even need to in order to know you want absolutely no part of that game? Your criticism of me not playing the Resistance games isn't a strong one, because people regularly criticize games that fail to convince or sell them on the belief that they're worth their time and money all the time. And perhaps we should clarify what not playing Resistance even means. Have I bought any of them? Hell no. Have I rented any of them? Hell no. Have I played resistance at a friend's house? Yes, the games simply aren't good.

me. one level away from completing it. i feel it's a requirement if you want to judge it fairly. otherwise it's just a pre-judgement which is worth absolutely fuck all. i can bitch about ryse now all i want since it's looking about as awful as you can get. but without playing it, it's all unfounded. same goes for you and fuse, you and resistance. it's a prety simple concept tbh. want a valid opinion on something? you need to have played it yourself...and no sath, that doesn't mean watching the game on youtube ;P

Yikes, you are actually about to complete that thing? You are a braver man than me lol. I'm assuming you borrowed or rented this, because as much as I don't have issue buying as many games as I desire, I don't like the idea of buying and playing games that I think, based on all I've seen, I'll utterly hate. Hey, youtube is a very valuable resource. If you don't somewhat enjoy watching a game, then you damn sure won't enjoy playing it yourself. At least that's a philosophy I live buy, so Sath's youtube method is pretty wise :P

LOL, different strokes for different folks son ;)

FUSE actually PLAYS quite well, at least in co-op. it's everything else that lets it down. if they'd have stuck to a more comical vibe, a more stylised visual, and more quirky characters, it would have been great. the problem was the trailer depicted the game as a "no one lives forever" styled comedy shooter. and then we actually got fuse. a game that's ultimately fun to play in the way it was intended (co-op) but massively generic, and contrived in every other area.

This is the kind of thing that I mean. I just don't think them trying to be more realistic and mature fits them all that well. They are good at being comical or working with a more stylized visual design, and I don't even think I need to point out that quirky characters is something that works very well for them.

All that I really get from the Resistance games, or any Insomniac game for that matter, is that their games will usually always have a strong degree of basic competence. However, there comes many times in games where competence simply isn't enough, and they need a little something more to pull the player in and capture their imagination. Insomniac simply doing what Insomniac does best in the visual style that they do it best in, and all the other traits that come with that are usually what gives Insomniac games their unique and most advantageous bit of appeal. You want to play on and see more because you get the sense that there's another surprise just around the corner, or that you really do want to see more of the world they've built. You see some parts of Resistance or Fuse from videos I've seen, or from the little time I've spent playing Resistance at a friend's house, and you just aren't really interested in knowing much more than what you already know. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. With me for the Ratchet games, I'm not in a mood where I'm simply tolerating a game. I feel instead like I'm playing a game designed for people like me. Simply looking at the visual style in the ratchet games is a large part of the fun for me, and if they can go back to that kind of art and inspiration in the stuff they make, they will be all the better off for it.

It isn't just about what a game does in the moment that makes a game for me. It's about what the game makes you imagine you could be doing at different parts in the game, or how you might feel about those things when they eventually happen. I think the best franchises in the business do a fantastic job of managing a player's imagination. Even games that simply use it as a means of baiting the player in, but without actually delivering the payoff still end up benefitting from this kind of thing.

resistance (1 and 3) where actually good games though. and they, much like fuse, play to insomniacs strengths of creating guns that do fun things and are fun to shoot. resistance was a bit more forgivable in terms of art style too, due to the setting and themes it was trying to cover. the problem with fuse was there was no real justfication for it's grounded art style and locations. it was a rediculous premis, with rediculous enemies, but for some reason rendered in a realistic way. and then revealing the game as overstrike and being a lot more stylised and quirky just hurt them even more when they turned it into fuse.

insomniac having a realistic art style is fine for me, great even, but they need to have a reason why other then "EA told us to do it" which is blatatnly the reason fuse turned out looking the way it did, no matter what they say. i mean, ratchet and clank all 4 one and full frontal assault are both stylised games. but they where so unbelievably boring to play. no amount of stylisation could fix them. i don't know if the series had just ran its course and they where being made to make more? hence why they felt so heartless? i don't know. but style doesnt = success to me, they need to show they're making a good game. and they're a bit hit and miss in that area.

I get it Microsoft, you're using the Apple playbook. The problem is that in order to get people to drink the koolaid, they have to be believers first. Over-delivering? Thousands of dollars of value?

If they say "infinate power of the cloud" enough, maybe some people will start believing it? Then they could maybe claim they're over-delivering and offering thousands of dollars worth of value without people laughing hysterically?

XO is advertised as all in one box for family. girls, female anyone can use it with Kinect and all. That is the only reason I think.

There's nothing wrong with what he's doing, we've seen marketing like this before...............but the language. WTF? It's like the people of the Xbox Division have lost the ability to communicate. And there are many things they could be saying to sell the X1, but they just can't seem to articulate anything without it sounding like a hustle.

Buy our product because we're over-delivering value? That's your sales pitch Don?

The cloud is a huge selling point, they've just done an awful job explaining why. The problem with the XB1 is they're putting a kinect in every box, driving up the entry-price, and they arent doing a good enough job explaing that it is something consumers want/need. Also... the always online shit is just dumb as hell, and DRM can die in a fire

Well, I think it's worth the $500. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want it to be cheaper, however. You always want anything you're interested in buying to be cheaper. I just see value in it beyond the core ability to play high end videogames and thus worth the price. The TV feature, which I'm confident is going to support my service and set top box, is a feature I'm interested in and want. I actually want Kinect because I think what I've seen so far of the new Kinect is pretty impressive, and I'm excited to use it to control the new Xbox UI and my TV, and I'm especially excited to see what game devs end up doing with it now that it's included with every console. I like that it runs a version of Windows 8, which means it's likely to support all or most Win 8 apps. I just plain like a lot of what the system offers. Every game is going to have dedicated servers on a console? That's pretty damn awesome to me.

The PS4 is more attractively priced. There's no denying that much, but that doesn't mean you can't still think the Xbox One's price is fair or worth what you're getting for it. I mean, people bought PS3's for $599.99. I was one of them. I felt considering what I was going to be getting with the PS3, it was well worth the $600+ that I paid for it. A new Halo game on a console this much more powerful than the Xbox 360 alone is worth a $500 asking price as far as I'm concerned, but one that will also be the first 60fps new console release ever with dedicated servers? Tell me where to sign.

Not everyone likes Kinect why dont you understand that Op.
Just because you like it doesnt mean its okay to bundle that piece of plastic garbage in every single xbox pack and bump the price so high.

With other words, you are paying 500 dollars for Halo with a voice remote control for your TV, thats all I got out of from your comment.

PS. I didnt buy PS3 until it was around 299 slight more or less, i aint stupid to pay that much money for a console no matter how new it is or what games.

I played Fuse, is pure garbage sorry man.

At which point in any of what I said on here ever implied that I think everybody shares my opinion? It's more the opposite where most think that absolutely nobody likes anything about the Xbox One. I'm not speaking for everybody. I'm speaking for myself.

What's up Don?

Fair enough.
I still think its not worth supporting MS for this crap since they think its okay and they will continue to do the same thing over and over again making the Xbox overal design to be forced Kinect online connected or else it wont work since they will bump the price more for people who DONT want Kinect but yet want Xbox and they are forced to pay the price of a unwanted device in their home collecting dust. They cant sell it or else their Xbox wont work.
They are practically scarying customers away like this.

Well, consumers will make the decision that they feel is right for them, which is the way it should be. If as many consumers feel the same way as a lot of hardcore gamers on the internet feel, then the outcome should be obvious. However, I think things aren't quite so simple.

Whats the point discussing with Ops when he was once trying to spin could care less? lol