Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
I want a cheaper console with no additional device i have zero use for ever, thats what i want.
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mt_sabao
mt_sabao
Since 7012 Days
Posted by Sath
I want a cheaper console with no additional device i have zero use for ever, thats what i want.
you just described the ps4. buy that faster horse.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by mt_sabao
you just described the ps4. buy that faster horse.
Oh I am getting a PS4 since it has the games i want on top of everything else Sony been doing ever since their reveal and features.

But I am just saying, for those who DONT want Kinect but want Xbox MS should do something about it and remove the extra 100 + Kinect.
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deftangel
Since 7449 Days
Posted by Sath
Stop whining at us who whine about not having Kinect forced down our throat.
Sath, you wouldn't accept an Xbox One even if Peter Moore and Master Chief stole the one out of Mattrick's office and gave it to you on a silver platter with a hat full of money. Nobodies forcing you to buy anything regardless of how many times you repeat it.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 7427 Days
Posted by mt_sabao
you just described the ps4. buy that faster horse.
Xbox confirmed to drive you around town.
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mt_sabao
mt_sabao
Since 7012 Days
Posted by Phaethon360
Xbox confirmed to drive you around town.
i'm not saying the xbox is the car and the ps is the faster horse in this metaphor. i'm just saying they both have a vision, and the the consumer, you guys, just want the same as before, but faster. Drop this and this and that, and then i'll buy it. But dropping this this and that, what you get is the same as before, but faster better graphics.

it's really mind bending.

edit;
In the end, Microsoft capitulated to people who didn’t want change.
and you keep pushing the same key, with all the complains with the kinect. what a bunch of backward thinking crowd you guys are.
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
Phaethon360
Since 7427 Days
The difference being that there was no accessory to turn the Horse into a Ford. And to my knowledge there still isn't.

But really, I'm done discussing all of this. We have a good system in place, and it can only get better.
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Jollipop
Jollipop
Since 7464 Days
Well I would just like to say thanks to those people who kicked up a stink about this so we could keep our consumer rights, as for the rest of you Aholes ... :P

Oh yea I still ain't getting a Xbones.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by deftangel
Sath, you wouldn't accept an Xbox One even if Peter Moore and Master Chief stole the one out of Mattrick's office and gave it to you on a silver platter with a hat full of money. Nobodies forcing you to buy anything regardless of how many times you repeat it.
Peter Moore is into Sports and thats boring. And Master Chief does nothing, so they cant tempt me to do anything, I aint Optimus :P (he probably make a tea party lol)

If they came over with it, i would accept it...then sell it to someone and get money to spend on other stuff I see fit in life.
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ManThatYouFear
ManThatYouFear
Since 7525 Days
Posted by Optimusv2
Either way, whatever the opinions are, it's always good that a company is seen as listening to the concerns of its customers.
lol there not listining there looking at pre order sales.
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alimokrane
Since 7511 Days
While I am far less pessimistic than the writer of this article, I still think this is an important thing to keep in mind. Eurogamer nails it again with a rather brilliant article

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-micro...
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by ManThatYouFear
lol there not listining there looking at pre order sales.
Let them believe that MS is caring for us, it is indeed the money and the pre-orders. It bited them in the ass as many said long time ago.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 7511 Days
Posted by Sath
Let them believe that MS is caring for us, it is indeed the money and the pre-orders. It bited them in the ass as many said long time ago.
Sath, that's enough out of you...In the past 24 hours, you have done nothing but try and smash every ounce of optimism that some of us had. Cant we just remain optimistic for a second and enjoy this tiny victory? Dont worry, the PS4 will still outsell the Xbox One going by price alone.

Sony dos not care for us either, they also want our money. No one does, they are all after our money!
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Sath, that's enough out of you...In the past 24 hours, you have done nothing but try and smash every ounce of optimism that some of us had. Cant we just remain optimistic for a second and enjoy this tiny victory? Dont worry, the PS4 will still outsell the Xbox One going by price alone.

Sony dos not care for us either, they also want our money. No one does, they are all after our money!
Says the guy who was pounding MS with harsh words constantly so fast during Xbox reveal and E3, oh how easy you forget and forgive :P
Yeah i am grateful MS did lose all those nasty features thats a no brainer for sure, but "we won the battle, but not the war" they say, and the war is still on until they remove the mandatory Kinect thing and out of the bundle and reduce the price since thats the only thing standing in the way.

Also, Sony is getting my money because they didnt piss us off in the first place with Ps4 with their anti-consumer or anything else forced on us with anything other than a simple paywall for online multiplayer so there is no issue with them. And yes Sony does care or else they could have caved in on this MS fiasco.

But if fact hurts, I wont say anything else, but others will speak up since I am not the only one who have the same thought.
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BLackHawkodst
BLackHawkodst
Since 6468 Days
Posted by alimokrane
Sath, that's enough out of you...In the past 24 hours, you have done nothing but try and smash every ounce of optimism that some of us had. Cant we just remain optimistic for a second and enjoy this tiny victory? Dont worry, the PS4 will still outsell the Xbox One going by price alone.

Sony dos not care for us either, they also want our money. No one does, they are all after our money!
No way man Sony loves us! ;p
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by BLackHawkodst
No way man Sony loves us! ;p
lol
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gym4life
Since 6106 Days
Brilliant news, i just hope the family sharing returns, that would be the iceing on the cake.
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Jin187
Jin187
Since 7325 Days
Posted by mt_sabao
This: http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse...
The Vision

Here was the simple vision of the Xbox One, selling and reselling games:

Every game you bought, physical or digital, would be tied to your account. This would eliminate current-gen problems like buying a disc, and then being unable to store it or download it from the cloud.
Because every single game, physical or digital, would be tied to an account, publishers could create a hub to sell and resell the games digitally. Let's refer to these as "licenses" from here, even though it's a loaded term.
Because reselling games would now work through a hub, publishers could make money on resold games.
Here is how this makes sense for YOU: New games could then be cheaper. Why? Publishers KNOW that they will not make money on resold games, so they charge more to you, the first buyer. You are paying for others' rights to use your game in the future. If the old system had gone into place, you would likely have seen game prices drop. Or, at the very least, it could have staved off price increases.
You also would have started getting a better return on your "used" games—because a license does not have to be resold at a diminished rate.
How do you know that this would have been the case? Because that's exactly what happens on Steam. But wait!, you shout. Steam is CHEAP cheap, and it has crazy sales. We love Steam! Micro$oft is nothing like that. Well, no, it isn't now, but Steam was once $team, too. It was not always popular, and its licensing model was once heavily maligned. Given time, though, it's now the only way almost every PC gamer wants to play games.
Sharing games would have worked either by activating your Live account on someone else's Xbox One, or by including them in your 10-person share plan, which would not have been limited to "family.". Details on that had been scarse, but even the strictest limitations (one other person playing any of the shared games from your account) would have been a HUGE improvement over the none that we have now. We don't get that now.
The 24-hour check-in would have been necessary for the X1's store, which it is not for Steam, because the physical product (game discs) would still be available. This check-in, literally bytes of data exchanged, would confirm that the games installed were not gaming the system in a convoluted install-here-and-then-go-offline-and-I'll-go-home-and-check-in-and-go-offline-too-and-we'll-both-use-the-game methods.
This is the loss of some of the most future-facing features of the system
this is why i laughed every time someone was complaining that MS's DRM measure were archaic, when they were on contrary pretty much very forward thinking.
Well at least I can now rent games... something I've never done and never will do! Welcome to the world of stagnant thinking.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 7511 Days
Posted by Sath
Says the guy who was pounding MS with harsh words constantly so fast during Xbox reveal and E3, oh how easy you forget and forgive :P
Yeah i am grateful MS did lose all those nasty features thats a no brainer for sure, but "we won the battle, but not the war" they say, and the war is still on until they remove the mandatory Kinect thing and out of the bundle and reduce the price since thats the only thing standing in the way.

Also, Sony is getting my money because they didnt piss us off in the first place with Ps4 with their anti-consumer or anything else forced on us with anything other than a simple paywall for online multiplayer so there is no issue with them. And yes Sony does care or else they could have caved in on this MS fiasco.

But if fact hurts, I wont say anything else, but others will speak up since I am not the only one who have the same thought.
And I will pound Microsoft again if they decide to introduce something remotely similar to what they had. will do it again in a heart beat but in this instance, I am willing to forgive YES. why? because I am listened to! Something you dont seem to comprehend. Admiting fault is not a sign of weakness and thats an opinion that some of you seem to be championing right now! it is as they say "You are damned if you and you are damned if you dont".

I am a Kinect hater, have always been BUT it has never been a deal breaker for me and games like project Spark were quite impressive (and I said that even before MS U-turned on their DRM policies). As it stands (and I have said this before as well), I am still NOT buying an Xbox One or a PS4 at launch in both cases because of games but 12 months down the line, both consoles are on the table now and whoever has the games that appeal to me will have my money.

Right now, I want Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Thief, The Witcher 3, Mirror's Edge, Final Fantasy 15, Metal Gear Solid 5 and Kingdom Hearts 3 so Xbox One wins at the moment in my book.
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KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6985 Days
the only hurdle now is kinect. if i can shove it in a draw, cool. but it's boosting the price for people who don't even want it and won't use it. but my main worry is that it's introducing a second peice of hardware that could potentially fail, and as a result, render your console useless. funtionality of the main console should not rely on 2 peices of hardware. imagine if your webcam broke and your PC just stopped functioning becasue of it? urgh.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by alimokrane
And I will pound Microsoft again if they decide to introduce something remotely similar to what they had. will do it again in a heart beat but in this instance, I am willing to forgive YES. why? because I am listened to! Something you dont seem to comprehend. Admiting fault is not a sign of weakness and thats an opinion that some of you seem to be championing right now! it is as they say "You are damned if you and you are damned if you dont".

Right now, I want Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Thief, The Witcher 3, Mirror's Edge, Final Fantasy 15, Metal Gear Solid 5 and Kingdom Hearts 3 so Xbox One wins at the moment in my book.
Oh so 2 exclusives, the rest multiplatform, yep thats winning alright :/
Yes, they did listen and most of it was how bad the pre-orders was on Xbox so they were forced to change it after all the PR bullshit they kept trying to brainwash us with. But most people dont forgive that easily something like this since you dont know what they will do to Xbox down the road through patches. Not saying they will, but dont be surprised if they will.

Also, if its not a deal breaker for you, alright fair enough, but that doesnt mean giving gamers an option is a bad thing since it never is.
Many people want options if they want to use it or not. The fact Kinect is mandatory to Xbox or it wont work is extremely stupid. It will collect dust, take up space on your shelf or whatever, and most people hate the Kinect games since MS hasent done anything to prove them otherwise.

So give us option and make the price like 399 like Ps4 and its a win win to everyone plain simple.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 7511 Days
Posted by KORNdog
the only hurdle now is kinect. if i can shove it in a draw, cool. but it's boosting the price for people who don't even want it and won't use it. but my main worry is that it's introducing a second peice of hardware that could potentially fail, and as a result, render your console useless. funtionality of the main console should not rely on 2 peices of hardware. imagine if your webcam broke and your PC just stopped functioning becasue of it? urgh.
I am not defending Kinect, I hope it goes away too but it's sort of similar to a controller and in that sense, our console becomes useless too if your controller breaks. Replacing Kinect though is obviously more expensive.

What bothers me as well is the size of the console and Kinect...they are simply HUGE! I might wait for a slim version before I jump in as well assuming I am going to get it that is.
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KORNdog
KORNdog
Since 6985 Days
Posted by alimokrane
I am not defending Kinect, I hope it goes away too but it's sort of similar to a controller and in that sense, our console becomes useless too if your controller breaks. Replacing Kinect though is obviously more expensive.
problem with that analogy is that kinect isn't the primary means of control. a control pad is. it'd be like my move controller breaking, rendering my PS3 is unusable. i'd hate such a system, and i hate it with kinect. i see absolutely no reason why it's mandatory? it's inflating the price of the system. and it's introducing a second means of failure.

hopefully by the time i'm willing to jump into (or should that be onto?) the Xbone. there will be a smaller, non-kinect version avaliable.
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alimokrane
alimokrane
Since 7511 Days
Posted by KORNdog
problem with that analogy is that kinect isn't the primary means of control. a control pad is. it'd be like my move controller breaking, rendering my PS3 is unusable. i'd hate such a system, and i hate it with kinect. i see absolutely no reason why it's mandatory? it's inflating the price of the system. and it's introducing a second means of failure.

hopefully by the time i'm willing to jump into (or should that be onto?) the Xbone. there will be a smaller, non-kinect version avaliable.
I really really hope so too. I need to find out whether I can shuv it in a drawer or something. That would solve my problem.
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
Sath
Since 7448 Days
Posted by alimokrane
I really really hope so too. I need to find out whether I can shuv it in a drawer or something. That would solve my problem.
Put a black blanket over it, imagine its not there...but it using x-ray vision on you :P
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