The XbOne Yard

Since 6414 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Articles like this make me laugh: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/423871/featur...

Because when you realize that they spend $500m on a single studio, tens of, if not $100+m on AAA budgets, and $100m on the controller.. it makes that "ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!!" investment seem sorta tiny, huh?

Microsoft are best at spending money. Which might make them the worst at spending money.

Interesting seeing that it uses a "plus" shaped d-pad as Nintendo has a patent on those.

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Phaethon360

Since 7426 Days

It's a rotated X.

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KORNdog

Since 6984 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

... thing is you would have already paid for it, why not plug it in and get your full money's worth? It doesn't make sense to pay for it and then not use it.

That right there is the problem though, i refuse to pay for something i do not want. Until they remove the paripheral, i won't buy the system (unless i can maybe get it parted out on ebay or something) knowing it no longer NEEDS to be plugged in is one step closer to them doing as they should, and release the system without kinect. If people want that POS so much, let them pay extra for it. But for those that don't want it, they shouldn't force it on us. It comes with a control pad, that should be enough, quit trying to ram kinect down our throat.

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asdfg

Since 6414 Days

Posted by Phaethon360

It's a rotated X.

If you aren't already a lawyer you'd make a damn good one :)

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BLackHawkodst

Since 6467 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

Originally Posted by Albert Penello

We still believe in Kinect. We aren’t interested in splitting the development base. The more demos I’ve seen, the more I’ve used it – the more impressed I am. The team feels strongly about Kinect, and I hope we’re able to prove that when you use it.

We also have a ton of privacy settings to allow people to turn off the camera, or microphones, or put it in a state just for “Xbox On” and IR blasting – there will be a lot of user control for that.

The thing we all understood, and hence this change, is that there are some scenarios where people just may not be comfortable. We wanted people to be 100% comfortable, so we allow the sensor to be unplugged. And clearly the “it dropped” scenario is possible.

The most obvious thing is watching a DVD/BD, or streaming a movie, or HDMI pass-through, your experience isn’t impacted (except you miss voice and IR blasting)

There is no “gotcha”, but obviously, if there is a game that REQUIRES Kinect (like Rivals), or something where Kinect IS the experience (like Skype), those won’t work.

That said, for people who have privacy concerns there are user control settings, which we believe are great.

So for those of you still waiting around for a Kinect-less SKU.........put that far out of your mind. It's not going to happen, and no one should expect any further concessions regarding Kinect. The thing is you would have already paid for it, why not plug it in and get your full money's worth? It doesn't make sense to pay for it and then not use it.

. So now, finally given the chance, I picked each of them up and was surprised by how solid and well-built the Xbox One feels compared to the first-generation Xbox 360. And believe the hype: the new Xbox is almost inaudibly quiet when running. Meanwhile, the new Kinect has plenty of heft; it feels like a serious piece of machinery, but it too feels iron-tough (unlike its flimsy predecessor), so that if it happened to take a tumble off your TV, odds are it would brush off the fall and get right back to work.

And work it does. The response time on Kinect 2.0 is very obviously much faster than the first Kinect, which Majesco made obvious by switching back and forth on-the-fly between Xbox 360 and Xbox One builds of the game (because certain sections they wanted to show me didn’t work properly on the One yet). Seeing the two Kinects work at the same time in the exact same space was telling. Input lag is no longer noticeable – that’s not to say it isn’t there because, well, of course it is – but it no longer feels like you’re fighting the Kinect to get it to read what you’re doing.

Kinect 2.0’s 1080p also makes a huge difference. As I sat on the couch behind the Majesco demo guide who was playing the game, Kinect 1 didn’t know I existed. But to Kinect 2.0, I was a fully recognizable person, sitting with one leg crossed over the other on the couch in the background. It’s very impressive. Quite frankly, Kinect 2.0 seems to be what the original Kinect should’ve been.

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[quote=GrimThorne][quote]

Originally Posted by Albert Penello

We still believe in Kinect. We aren’t interested in splitting the development base. The more demos I’ve seen, the more I’ve used it – the more impressed I am. The team feels strongly about Kinect, and I hope we’re able to prove that when you use it.

We also have a ton of privacy settings to allow people to turn off the camera, or microphones, or put it in a state just for “Xbox On” and IR blasting – there will be a lot of user control for that.

The thing we all understood, and hence this change, is that there are some scenarios where people just may not be comfortable. We wanted people to be 100% comfortable, so we allow the sensor to be unplugged. And clearly the “it dropped” scenario is possible.

The most obvious thing is watching a DVD/BD, or streaming a movie, or HDMI pass-through, your experience isn’t impacted (except you miss voice and IR blasting)

There is no “gotcha”, but obviously, if there is a game that REQUIRES Kinect (like Rivals), or something where Kinect IS the experience (like Skype), those won’t work.

That said, for people who have privacy concerns there are user control settings, which we believe are great.[/quote]

So for those of you still waiting around for a Kinect-less SKU.........put that far out of your mind.  It's not going to happen, and no one should expect any further concessions regarding Kinect.  The thing is you would have already paid for it, why not plug it in and get your full money's worth?  It doesn't make sense to pay for it and then not use it.[/quote]

[quote]. So now, finally given the chance, I picked each of them up and was surprised by how solid and well-built the Xbox One feels compared to the first-generation Xbox 360. And believe the hype: the new Xbox is almost inaudibly quiet when running. Meanwhile, the new Kinect has plenty of heft; it feels like a serious piece of machinery, but it too feels iron-tough (unlike its flimsy predecessor), so that if it happened to take a tumble off your TV, odds are it would brush off the fall and get right back to work.
 
And work it does. The response time on Kinect 2.0 is very obviously much faster than the first Kinect, which Majesco made obvious by switching back and forth on-the-fly between Xbox 360 and Xbox One builds of the game (because certain sections they wanted to show me didn’t work properly on the One yet). Seeing the two Kinects work at the same time in the exact same space was telling. Input lag is no longer noticeable – that’s not to say it isn’t there because, well, of course it is – but it no longer feels like you’re fighting the Kinect to get it to read what you’re doing.
 
Kinect 2.0’s 1080p also makes a huge difference. As I sat on the couch behind the Majesco demo guide who was playing the game, Kinect 1 didn’t know I existed. But to Kinect 2.0, I was a fully recognizable person, sitting with one leg crossed over the other on the couch in the background. It’s very impressive. Quite frankly, Kinect 2.0 seems to be what the original Kinect should’ve been.[/quote]

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GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

Quite frankly, Kinect 2.0 seems to be what the original Kinect should’ve been.

So.. not a pack-in and already collecting dust in somebody's closet? Kinect was exactly what it should have been.

A flop. It has quite literally ruined the Xbox brand.

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gym4life

Since 6105 Days

Nice :)

The new Xbox is almost inaudibly quiet when running.

Kinect - Input lag is no longer noticeable

Kinect 2.0’s 1080p also makes a huge difference. As I sat on the couch behind the Majesco demo guide who was playing the game, Kinect 1 didn’t know I existed. But to Kinect 2.0, I was a fully recognizable person, sitting with one leg crossed over the other on the couch in the background. It’s very impressive.

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Jin187

Since 7324 Days

The new Xbox is almost inaudibly quiet when running.

It's about time! My 360 and PS3 are both louder than my PC which is quite ridiculous considering they have about a quater of the processing power.

Posted by GriftGFX

A flop. It has quite literally ruined the Xbox brand.

I wish I could have a 24 million selling, record breaking product "flop"

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GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

Posted by Jin187

I wish I could have a 24 million selling, record breaking product "flop"

Yes. Because commercial success means simply everything. Enjoy dancing with your crappy shovelware.

Are you a big Justin Bieber fan too? I've heard he's sold a lot of records.

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Jin187

Since 7324 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Yes. Because commercial success means simply everything. Enjoy dancing with your crappy shovelware.

Are you a big Justin Bieber fan too? I've heard he's sold a lot of records.

Actually it does for a business. Nah, i'll just carry on enjoying table tennis with it instead.

I think you need to research the word "Flop", another word that clearly doesnt mean what you think it does.

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GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

And yet you clearly know what I mean.. but you want to keep ragging on my use of the word "flop." I'll use a different word for "FAIL" next time. You definitely know the word "deflection."

Yeah. That's the best argument for kinect. That it's sold lots of units. If you care a whole lot more about the business of games than having fun I guess. Or you find flailing around to shovelware games fun.

Nah, i'll just carry on enjoying table tennis with it instead.

Oh! You do find flailing around to shovelware fun! You'd still love Halo if it were a break-dancing kinect game.

Posted by Jin187

Actually it does for a business.

Yes. I agree that this is clearly all that Microsoft cares about.

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GrimThorne

Since 7453 Days

You have to wonder if people actually pay attention to the details anymore, but as far as I can tell Microsoft didn't change anything. Kinect is still in the box, still standard with every X1 purchase, and under no circumstances will it be unbundled. As matter of fact when the X1's price is lowered (probably next year) Kinect will add a greater value, so keeping it bundled is just smart business. You wouldn't want to remove any advantages from your platform just to please disinterested early adopters. 24 Million 360/Kinectv1 users will be arriving for dinner eventually, Microsoft is just making sure their place at the table is set. And if the device actually manages to surprise any gamers and win us over in the process, well then all the better.

I don't know if I'll like Kinect, but unlike others I sure intend to give it a chance and plug it in to find out for myself. Hell if I'm paying for it I might as well find out if it's worth integrating into my home theater.

Interesting, by making this tiny gesture Microsoft has cleverly removed the contentiousness from the debate over Kinect. They've seemingly convinced people who still had problems (paranoia or disinterest) with Kinect that the sensor is now a non factor. By removing this negative from the discussion, and by letting the whiners have a false victory, they can finally begin moving past the eggs and rock throwing. As simple a solution as this is, the whiners already feel better about the X1. Go figure. LOL!

So I would say Microsoft is finally figuring it all out. The best way to deal with all of the drama is don't try to convince them, just seemingly take away as many of their personal gripes as possible. I'm just glad they didn't remove it, that would have been a mistake. Some developer out there is going to figure out the killer app that broadens the appeal of this for core gamers.

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You have to wonder if people actually pay attention to the details anymore, but as far as I can tell Microsoft didn't change anything.  Kinect is still in the box, still standard with every X1 purchase, and under no  circumstances will it be unbundled.   As matter of fact when the X1's price is lowered (probably next year) Kinect will add a greater value, so keeping it bundled is just smart business.  You wouldn't want to remove any advantages from your platform just to please disinterested early adopters.  24 Million 360/Kinectv1 users will be arriving for dinner eventually,  Microsoft is just making sure their place at the table is set.   And if the device actually manages to surprise any gamers and win us over in the process, well then all the better.

I don't know if I'll like Kinect, but unlike others I sure intend to give it a chance and plug it in to find out for myself.  Hell if I'm paying for it I might as well find out if it's worth integrating into my home theater.

Interesting, by making this tiny gesture Microsoft has cleverly removed the contentiousness from the debate over Kinect.   They've seemingly convinced people who still had problems (paranoia or disinterest) with Kinect that the sensor is now a non factor.  By removing this negative from the discussion, and by letting the whiners have a false victory, they can finally begin moving past the eggs and rock throwing.     As simple a solution as this is, the whiners already feel better about the X1.  Go figure.  LOL!

So I would say Microsoft is finally figuring it all out.  The best way to deal with all of the drama is don't try to convince them, just [i]seemingly[/i] take away as many of their personal gripes as possible.  I'm just glad they didn't remove it, that would have been a mistake.   Some developer out there is going to figure out the killer app that broadens the appeal of this for core gamers.

GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

You have to wonder if people actually pay attention to the details anymore, but as far as I can tell Microsoft didn't change anything. Kinect is still in the box, still standard with every X1 purchase, and under no circumstances will it be unbundled. As matter of fact when the X1's price is lowered (probably next year) Kinect will add a greater value, so keeping it bundled is just smart business. You wouldn't want to remove any advantages from your platform just to please disinterested early adopters. 24 Million 360/Kinectv1 users will be arriving for dinner eventually, Microsoft is just making sure their place at the table is set. And if the device actually manages to surprise any gamers and win us over in the process, well then all the better.

I don't know if I'll like Kinect, but unlike others I sure intend to give it a chance and plug it in to find out for myself. Hell if I'm paying for it I might as well find out if it's worth integrating into my home theater.

Interesting, by making this tiny gesture Microsoft has cleverly removed the contentiousness from the debate over Kinect. They've seemingly convinced people who still had problems (paranoia or disinterest) with Kinect that the sensor is now a non factor. By removing this negative from the discussion, and by letting the whiners have a false victory, they can finally begin moving past the eggs and rock throwing. As simple a solution as this is, the whiners already feel better about the X1. Go figure. LOL!

So I would say Microsoft is finally figuring it all out. The best way to deal with all of the drama is don't try to convince them, just seemingly take away as many of their personal gripes as possible. I'm just glad they didn't remove it, that would have been a mistake. Some developer out there is going to figure out the killer app that broadens the appeal of this for core gamers.

I don't really see how they've disarmed the kinect debate. As you've pointed out, it's a non-issue for anyone disinterested in Kinect and anyone paying for Kinect might as well use the damn thing anyway. It addresses the concern of privacy. Which is nice. But.. they've changed nothing.

The discussion about Kinect can now move back to all of it's amazing potential that it will never see. Because a high latency zero button mouse is not a very good game controller.

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[quote=GrimThorne]You have to wonder if people actually pay attention to the details anymore, but as far as I can tell Microsoft didn't change anything.  Kinect is still in the box, still standard with every X1 purchase, and under no  circumstances will it be unbundled.   As matter of fact when the X1's price is lowered (probably next year) Kinect will add a greater value, so keeping it bundled is just smart business.  You wouldn't want to remove any advantages from your platform just to please disinterested early adopters.  24 Million 360/Kinectv1 users will be arriving for dinner eventually,  Microsoft is just making sure their place at the table is set.   And if the device actually manages to surprise any gamers and win us over in the process, well then all the better.

I don't know if I'll like Kinect, but unlike others I sure intend to give it a chance and plug it in to find out for myself.  Hell if I'm paying for it I might as well find out if it's worth integrating into my home theater.

Interesting, by making this tiny gesture Microsoft has cleverly removed the contentiousness from the debate over Kinect.   They've seemingly convinced people who still had problems (paranoia or disinterest) with Kinect that the sensor is now a non factor.  By removing this negative from the discussion, and by letting the whiners have a false victory, they can finally begin moving past the eggs and rock throwing.     As simple a solution as this is, the whiners already feel better about the X1.  Go figure.  LOL!

So I would say Microsoft is finally figuring it all out.  The best way to deal with all of the drama is don't try to convince them, just [i]seemingly[/i] take away as many of their personal gripes as possible.  I'm just glad they didn't remove it, that would have been a mistake.   Some developer out there is going to figure out the killer app that broadens the appeal of this for core gamers.[/quote]

I don't really see how they've disarmed the kinect debate. As you've pointed out, it's a non-issue for anyone disinterested in Kinect and anyone paying for Kinect might as well use the damn thing anyway. It addresses the concern of privacy. Which is nice. But.. they've changed nothing.

The discussion about Kinect can now move back to all of it's amazing potential that it will never see. Because a high latency zero button mouse is not a very good game controller.

_killzone_

Since 5771 Days

Kinect mandatory was always ridiculous. There surely will be non Kinect SKU I guess. Especially if PS4 flies of the shelf and XO demands are below expectations.

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GrimThorne

Since 7453 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I don't really see how they've disarmed the kinect debate.

Well nothing ever will disarm the debate for you. You have an endless supply of rocks and eggs to throw, and you've been throwing them since January.

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GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

Well nothing ever will disarm the debate for you. You have an endless supply of rocks and eggs to throw, and you've been throwing them since January.

Oh, right. I'm just looking for things to complain about. Microsoft didn't do any of the leg work for me.

On the other hand, you've been in full-blown denial mode since January.

I absolutely agree with your analysis of this current move. They've done nothing of interest here. It's like the Windows 8.1 Start Button.

Posted by _killzone_

Kinect mandatory was always ridiculous. There surely will be non Kinect SKU I guess. Especially if PS4 flies of the shelf and XO demands are below expectations.

This is the only scenario that results in a Kinect-free SKU. And since we're seeing people hype games as awful looking as Killer Instinct and Ryse, I am doubtful of that result. Unfortunate as that is.

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BLackHawkodst

Since 6467 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

You have to wonder if people actually pay attention to the details anymore, but as far as I can tell Microsoft didn't change anything. Kinect is still in the box, still standard with every X1 purchase, and under no circumstances will it be unbundled. As matter of fact when the X1's price is lowered (probably next year) Kinect will add a greater value, so keeping it bundled is just smart business. You wouldn't want to remove any advantages from your platform just to please disinterested early adopters. 24 Million 360/Kinectv1 users will be arriving for dinner eventually, Microsoft is just making sure their place at the table is set. And if the device actually manages to surprise any gamers and win us over in the process, well then all the better.

I don't know if I'll like Kinect, but unlike others I sure intend to give it a chance and plug it in to find out for myself. Hell if I'm paying for it I might as well find out if it's worth integrating into my home theater.

Interesting, by making this tiny gesture Microsoft has cleverly removed the contentiousness from the debate over Kinect. They've seemingly convinced people who still had problems (paranoia or disinterest) with Kinect that the sensor is now a non factor. By removing this negative from the discussion, and by letting the whiners have a false victory, they can finally begin moving past the eggs and rock throwing. As simple a solution as this is, the whiners already feel better about the X1. Go figure. LOL!

So I would say Microsoft is finally figuring it all out. The best way to deal with all of the drama is don't try to convince them, just seemingly take away as many of their personal gripes as possible. I'm just glad they didn't remove it, that would have been a mistake. Some developer out there is going to figure out the killer app that broadens the appeal of this for core gamers.

If they lower the price that could work.

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[quote=GrimThorne]You have to wonder if people actually pay attention to the details anymore, but as far as I can tell Microsoft didn't change anything.  Kinect is still in the box, still standard with every X1 purchase, and under no  circumstances will it be unbundled.   As matter of fact when the X1's price is lowered (probably next year) Kinect will add a greater value, so keeping it bundled is just smart business.  You wouldn't want to remove any advantages from your platform just to please disinterested early adopters.  24 Million 360/Kinectv1 users will be arriving for dinner eventually,  Microsoft is just making sure their place at the table is set.   And if the device actually manages to surprise any gamers and win us over in the process, well then all the better.

I don't know if I'll like Kinect, but unlike others I sure intend to give it a chance and plug it in to find out for myself.  Hell if I'm paying for it I might as well find out if it's worth integrating into my home theater.

Interesting, by making this tiny gesture Microsoft has cleverly removed the contentiousness from the debate over Kinect.   They've seemingly convinced people who still had problems (paranoia or disinterest) with Kinect that the sensor is now a non factor.  By removing this negative from the discussion, and by letting the whiners have a false victory, they can finally begin moving past the eggs and rock throwing.     As simple a solution as this is, the whiners already feel better about the X1.  Go figure.  LOL!

So I would say Microsoft is finally figuring it all out.  The best way to deal with all of the drama is don't try to convince them, just [i]seemingly[/i] take away as many of their personal gripes as possible.  I'm just glad they didn't remove it, that would have been a mistake.   Some developer out there is going to figure out the killer app that broadens the appeal of this for core gamers.[/quote]

If they lower the price that could work.

Prepare To Drop!!

GrimThorne

Since 7453 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

Oh, right. I'm just looking for things to complain about. Microsoft didn't do any of the leg work for me.

On the other hand, you've been in full-blown denial mode since January.

If you really think that's the truth then at least be honest enough to admit that what YOU'VE engaged in these many months has neither been measured or constructive. What am I supposed to do, agree with YOU? You're the most cynical person here.

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docLEXfisti

Since 7699 Days

I am looking forward to the new Kinect and the new Controller, you guys make it sound like I should feel that I am a bad person :)

I am happy that new consoles arrive and will treat myself with a Wii U with Mario in September to get into the "NextGen" mood. PS4 will be bought after X-Mas though and with my GTX 670 I am still set-up good for more PC offerings. This is the time where I am happy that I'm a gamer and will be for my whole life.

Even my boy talks about Mario all the time - he's so fascinated that it's really hard to swallow sometimes [it's his most favorite topic]

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the only tyrant I accept is my inner voice [and my two kids ;)]

ultimate gamers threat: "Watch it, or I'll spoil you all!"

GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

You're the most cynical person here.

I doubt that! There's room for improvement. I still find joy in a lot of games. Somehow we need to destroy that too!

Constructive.. no. But is your cheerleading constructive?

Posted by docLEXfisti

I am looking forward to the new Kinect and the new Controller, you guys make it sound like I should feel that I am a bad person :)

Nah I think that's the best possible response! Heck, only people who are looking forward to Kinect should look forward to X1.

I just wish it wasn't the central focus of all things Xbox. And it has been for years now.

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gym4life

Since 6105 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

I am looking forward to the new Kinect and the new Controller, you guys make it sound like I should feel that I am a bad person :)

I am happy that new consoles arrive and will treat myself with a Wii U with Mario in September to get into the "NextGen" mood. PS4 will be bought after X-Mas though and with my GTX 670 I am still set-up good for more PC offerings. This is the time where I am happy that I'm a gamer and will be for my whole life.

Even my boy talks about Mario all the time - he's so fascinated that it's really hard to swallow sometimes [it's his most favorite topic]

Your not a bad person, i'm looking forward to it too :)

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docLEXfisti

Since 7699 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

I just wish it wasn't the central focus of all things Xbox. And it has been for years now.

I don't see a lot of mainstream-titles implementing motion controls, more voice commands maybe ... but I think games will remain the traditional way they are ... but there might be more "innovative pearls" coming, now that every X1 has it. I think in the end it can only turn out well.

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the only tyrant I accept is my inner voice [and my two kids ;)]

ultimate gamers threat: "Watch it, or I'll spoil you all!"

GrimThorne

Since 7453 Days

Posted by docLEXfisti

I am looking forward to the new Kinect and the new Controller, you guys make it sound like I should feel that I am a bad person :)

And you'll never be a good person again doc, you are truly LOST. All of this talk about looking forward to Kinect, being a happy gamer, having enthusiasm? There's no room for that here, you're just a blind cheerleader who hasn't yet figured out how cheerless and futile gaming on the Xbox One will be.

Misery loves company doc, misery LOVES company.

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Jin187

Since 7324 Days

Posted by GriftGFX

And yet you clearly know what I mean.. but you want to keep ragging on my use of the word "flop." I'll use a different word for "FAIL" next time. You definitely know the word "deflection."

Yeah. That's the best argument for kinect. That it's sold lots of units. If you care a whole lot more about the business of games than having fun I guess. Or you find flailing around to shovelware games fun.

So basically, what we've established here is that Kinect is a flop and has ruined the entire Xbox brand because Grift doesn't like it. Thanks for that fact, i'll note it down.

Posted by GriftGFX

Oh! You do find flailing around to shovelware fun!

Yup, as much as you like wiggling your thumbs :p

Posted by GriftGFX

You'd still love Halo if it were a break-dancing kinect game.

I would love Halo even if it was the literally the dirt beneath my shoe :D

Posted by GriftGFX

Yes. I agree that this is clearly all that Microsoft cares about.

You must incredibly naïve if you truly believe that it isn't the primary objective of any big company.

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[quote=GriftGFX]And yet you clearly know what I mean.. but you want to keep ragging on my use of the word "flop." I'll use a different word for "FAIL" next time. You definitely know the word "deflection."

Yeah. That's the best argument for kinect. That it's sold lots of units. If you care a whole lot more about the business of games than having fun I guess. Or you find flailing around to shovelware games fun.
[/quote]

So basically, what we've established here is that Kinect is a flop and has ruined the entire Xbox brand because Grift doesn't like it. Thanks for that fact, i'll note it down.

[quote=GriftGFX]Oh! You do find flailing around to shovelware fun![/quote]

Yup, as much as you like wiggling your thumbs :p

[quote=GriftGFX]You'd still love Halo if it were a break-dancing kinect game.[/quote]

I would love Halo even if it was the literally the dirt beneath my shoe :D

[quote=GriftGFX]Yes. I agree that this is clearly all that Microsoft cares about.[/quote]

You must incredibly naïve if you truly believe that it isn't the primary objective of any big company.

GriftGFX

Since 7580 Days

Posted by Jin187

I would love Halo even if it was the literally the dirt beneath my shoe :D

So.. Halo 4 :D

Posted by Jin187

So basically, what we've established here is that Kinect is a flop and has ruined the entire Xbox brand because Grift doesn't like it. Thanks for that fact, i'll note it down.

I love how you cling to the smallest things. It's cute. Yes. Kinect is a failure because it ruined the Xbox brand.

You got it all straight!

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