The XbOne Yard

Since 7577 Days

Yea I think Ryse is going to alienate a lot of people. We'll see. Forza is really the only thing mentioned that will pique my interest..

But Crytek w/ some powerful hardware can turn some heads regardless.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

I doubt you'll be able to turn it off, as Kinect apparently comes with every single system. That said, I don't mind mandatory Kinect stuff if it's done well enough, is done sparingly enough, and they take into consideration that gamers simply have far more superior control over a game with a normal controller and don't want to have to be standing to properly make use of Kinect. Gamers have spent years working on their perfectly toned bodies, we don't want some forced exercise disguised as a videogame threatening that.

Posted by GriftGFX

Yea I think Ryse is going to alienate a lot of people. We'll see. Forza is really the only thing mentioned that will pique my interest..

But Crytek w/ some powerful hardware can turn some heads regardless.

Their making a PS4 exclusive, too? :P *cracks self up* :D

Oh yea, Forza should be interesting. The thing that interests me most is that family game that they claim has Pixar style graphics, though. I want to know what kind of game it is. I wonder if it's one of those fantasy/magic style games with lots of colors that I like. Hopefully it's not some interactive vacation with the family in Hawaii crap.

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I doubt you'll be able to turn it off, as Kinect apparently comes with every single system. That said, I don't mind mandatory Kinect stuff if it's done well enough, is done sparingly enough, and they take into consideration that gamers simply have far more superior control over a game with a normal controller and don't want to have to be standing to properly make use of Kinect. Gamers have spent years working on their perfectly toned bodies, we don't want some forced exercise disguised as a videogame threatening that.

[quote=GriftGFX]Yea I think Ryse is going to alienate a lot of people. We'll see. Forza is really the only thing mentioned that will pique my interest..

[b]But Crytek w/ some powerful hardware can turn some heads regardless.[/b][/quote]

Their making a PS4 exclusive, too? :P *cracks self up* :D

Oh yea, Forza should be interesting. The thing that interests me most is that family game that they claim has Pixar style graphics, though. I want to know what kind of game it is. I wonder if it's one of those fantasy/magic style games with lots of colors that I like. Hopefully it's not some interactive vacation with the family in Hawaii crap.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

volvicstraw

Since 5583 Days

Posted by GrimThorne

As for the rumors..............well look at them. VGleaks (as I always knew they would) are carefully walking back from their earlier claims Suddenly used games are IN, BC is there for the gamer who just can't live without it, and it looks like the "always on" speculation is turning out to have been completely misunderstood. And this is just the beginning, I predict that they're going to soon cover their asses from their own interpretation of the hardware specs. Look at what VGLeaks is NOW saying-

Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.

As soon as I read this I said to myself, "Well, well, well. It was only a matter of time."

Agree.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Saw this on neogaf.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5360544...

DeadMeat: "My understanding of what that the Xbox TV was a Kinect device whose power consumption was low enough to added to a TV's circuit board.If the Xbox 360 is this Xbox TV, then Microsoft must have made a break-through in the Xbox 360 SOC's power consumption so that it can now be packaged into small devices."

rOt : "Breakthrough??? The chipset is 8 years old and started out as a 90nm part. It's on a SoC I have this confirmed as a fact."

DeadMeat: "It's hard to reduce power consumption in a deeply pipelined processor. Xbox 360 CPU had the longest pipeline in history, approaching 40 stages. Microsoft had to cut this down to 13~15 pipes to reduce power consumption in order for the SOC to fit into a Roku like box, meaning it is basically a new CPU sharing instruction set, not a die shrunk version of old CPU"

DeadMeat: "Doing a quick search, the PowerPC A2 has a 15-stage pipeline, so this is a perfect candidate for the new Xbox 360's CPU. "

Maybe a PowerPC A2 is still possible in the next XBox Mini(TV) :)

rot :

Now that the cat is out of the bag on the Xbox Mini unit, I'll just throw this in:

It will be marketed as a new product under the Xbox brand and not necessarily "Xbox 360". It's "tiny" and has the new Xbox 360 SoC (CPU/GPU/memory on one die). It will be targeted to compete against Roku, Apple TV and Google TV products and will not come with a disk drive.

The "stackable" rumors are bullshit. The next Xbox will have this same SoC in the box (thus the dual APU rumors). It will be a dual SoC system.

The "mini" unit will play Xbox 360 games (no disk drive like it's competitors) and share a "pared down" version of the new dashboard.

Both units will be marketed under the same Xbox "Next" brand.

Also, VGLeaks updated their information to match the info I was given (posted earlier in this thread). Xbox "Next" Mini is a standalone device. They still haven't picked up that the "Durango" is the deluxe model that contains the next gen hardware along with the SoC in the Mini.

If this is accurate it means that Durango comes with BC built in and you don't actually need to purchase this new mini 360 as an add on for BC.

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Saw this on neogaf.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53605449&postcount=1889

[quote]DeadMeat: "My understanding of what that the Xbox TV was a Kinect device whose power consumption was low enough to added to a TV's circuit board.If the Xbox 360 is this Xbox TV, then Microsoft must have made a break-through in the Xbox 360 SOC's power consumption so that it can now be packaged into small devices."

rOt : "Breakthrough??? The chipset is 8 years old and started out as a 90nm part. It's on a SoC I have this confirmed as a fact."

DeadMeat: "It's hard to reduce power consumption in a deeply pipelined processor. Xbox 360 CPU had the longest pipeline in history, approaching 40 stages. Microsoft had to cut this down to 13~15 pipes to reduce power consumption in order for the SOC to fit into a Roku like box, meaning it is basically a new CPU sharing instruction set, not a die shrunk version of old CPU"

DeadMeat: "Doing a quick search, the PowerPC A2 has a 15-stage pipeline, so this is a perfect candidate for the new Xbox 360's CPU. "

Maybe a PowerPC A2 is still possible in the next XBox Mini(TV) :) [/quote]

[quote]rot :

Now that the cat is out of the bag on the Xbox Mini unit, I'll just throw this in:

[b]It will be marketed as a new product under the Xbox brand and not necessarily "Xbox 360".[/b] [b]It's "tiny" and has the new Xbox 360 SoC (CPU/GPU/memory on one die). It will be targeted to compete against Roku, Apple TV and Google TV products and will not come with a disk drive.[/b]

The "stackable" rumors are bullshit. [b]The next Xbox will have this same SoC in the box (thus the dual APU rumors). It will be a dual SoC system.[/b]

The "mini" unit will play Xbox 360 games (no disk drive like it's competitors) and share a "pared down" version of the new dashboard.

Both units will be marketed under the same Xbox "Next" brand.

Also, [b]VGLeaks updated their information to match the info I was given (posted earlier in this thread). Xbox "Next" Mini is a standalone device. They still haven't picked up that the "Durango" is the deluxe model that contains the next gen hardware along with the SoC in the Mini.[/b][/quote]

If this is accurate it means that Durango comes with BC built in and you don't actually need to purchase this new mini 360 as an add on for BC.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

scoobs0688

Since 6211 Days

This sounds pretty forward-thinking. Not sure its the right time for something like this, I guess we will see. God i hope its a success for my stocks sake :)

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

A device that is price competitive with Apple TV and Roku and can also play full fledged Xbox 360 games does sound like a winner. Barriers to services such as Netflix would need to be removed, however. That policy where you pay for Xbox Live Gold to gain access to Netflix on the 360 simply will not do, and would only serve to weaken the new device.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Eddy186

Since 7523 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Gamers have spent years working on their perfectly toned bodies, we don't want some forced exercise disguised as a videogame threatening that.

Yeah, Im in excellent shape! No need to threaten that.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by Eddy186

Yeah, Im in excellent shape! No need to threaten that.

Precisely what I'm saying. It's because we're so perfectly toned that we rank so high in this very accurate and very scientific study.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53466...

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/04/xbox-players-better-...

Xbox players came out on top of the gaming pile when it comes to sexual prowess, beating those who use Playstation and Wii consoles.

When broken down proportionally between the most frequently played consoles, it emerged that Xbox 360 owners were the best in the bedroom, with 54% of them being described as ‘good’ or above. 22% were regarded as ‘excellent’ by their partner. Players of the Wii also put in a strong showing as 47% of the total were described as being ‘good’ or above.

In contrast, the smallest percentage of gamers scoring an above average mark in the sex stakes were PC gamers, with only 3% being described as ‘excellent’ and 8% regarded as ‘very good’.

If Microsoft wants to risk throwing away this very key advantage early on into the next gen console war, then they do so at their own peril.

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[quote=Eddy186]

Yeah, Im in excellent shape! No need to threaten that.[/quote]

Precisely what I'm saying. It's because we're so perfectly toned that we rank so high in this very accurate and very scientific study.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534660

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/04/xbox-players-better-in-bed-than-playstation-and-wii-rivals-study-finds-3582709/

[quote][b]Xbox players came out on top of the gaming pile when it comes to sexual prowess, beating those who use Playstation and Wii consoles.[/b]

When broken down proportionally between the most frequently played consoles, [b]it emerged that Xbox 360 owners were the best in the bedroom, with 54% of them being described as ‘good’ or above. 22% were regarded as ‘excellent’ by their partner[/b]. Players of the Wii also put in a strong showing as 47% of the total were described as being ‘good’ or above.

In contrast, [b]the smallest percentage of gamers scoring an above average mark in the sex stakes were PC gamers, with only 3% being described as ‘excellent’ and 8% regarded as ‘very good’[/b].

[/quote]

[img]http://www.thegamersparadise.com/images/stories/Games/industry/index.jpg[/img]

If Microsoft wants to risk throwing away this very key advantage early on into the next gen console war, then they do so at their own peril.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

wtf, I had no idea Microsoft's first party Kinect software sales were so strong.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5361752...

And the Kinect sports number is actually in excess of 7 million units sold.

That's also false. The bad Kinect games sold poorly and the "good" ones didn't. Imagine that!

Kinect Sports Series 6 Million Units

Dance Central Series 4 Million Units Sold

Just Dance Series 3 Million

Kinect Disney Land Adventures 2 Million Units

Kinect Star Wars 1.4 Million Units

Kinectanimals 1.3 Million Units

With an install base less than half the size of the 360 itself, those are tremendous numbers. Kinect Sports probably has the highest attach rate ratio of software to hardware across all of Microsoft's systems.

You may not like it, but it was immensely successful for Microsoft.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Wii Sports is the best selling game of all-time. Over 50mil units.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

I'm just surprised that for such bad games, or better yet, games that a lot of people such as myself and most other gamers here just wouldn't be interested in, that they managed to sell so strongly.

I knew Kinect units themselves were selling, but I generally believed the software picture, besides dance central, was pretty bad all around.

I did buy a few of those games for family members and nephews though, but damn.

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

GriftGFX

Since 7577 Days

Duh. There's a reason Xbox has become KinectBox.

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Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Boy, am I ever going to have a blast doing a cartwheel to reload my gun in BF4 LOL. Man, I'm tired. Heading off to bed. :)

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Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

BLackHawkodst

Since 6463 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

The "stackable" rumors are bullshit. The next Xbox will have this same SoC in the box (thus the dual APU rumors). It will be a dual SoC system.

The "mini" unit will play Xbox 360 games (no disk drive like it's competitors) and share a "pared down" version of the new dashboard.

Both units will be marketed under the same Xbox "Next" brand.

Also, VGLeaks updated their information to match the info I was given (posted earlier in this thread). Xbox "Next" Mini is a standalone device. They still haven't picked up that the "Durango" is the deluxe model that contains the next gen hardware along with the SoC in the Mini.

IF true that sounds great!

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gow_fan

Since 5933 Days

Posted by Optimusv2

Nah, just fired for embarrassing the company and insulting potential customers. I don't think he necessarily confirmed anything. What he did was just really stupid for someone in his position. And I'm not so sure about that Crytek game...

You cannot get sacked from a job for behaving like a d!ck about always online for a console. But can get sacked for intentionally or unintentionally giving out information or even misinformation about the product. Tink they are going to loose many people if online gaming is not free.

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BLackHawkodst

Since 6463 Days

Of course you can get sacked for being a dick and hurting the company name, what industry do you work in? lol

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KORNdog

Since 6981 Days

It's less about why he got fired, any number of things could have done that. More the question of why he got so defensive in the first place to even respond to, what at the time, where just rumours. I think that's pretty telling.

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

Yeah, and now Cliffy B is also defending Always Online DRM. No current device uses it, yet more are vocally defending it. Disturbing.

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BLackHawkodst

Since 6463 Days

Not really, him and manveer always joshed each other on twitter there mates, manveer even said as much. Then there's the term 'always on' which was what was said, and then there's "always online" which is getting folk confused (myself included), and with the latest leaks the always-on seems to be the case?. All in all I think it's more like....

How did this happen? It’s a classic case of the social media illusion of security. Orth was really just having a conversation with his friend, Bioware’s Manveer Heir, and they both forgot for a moment that they were high-ranking employees at heavily scrutinized companies. Like the random person who complains about their boss on Facebook while forgetting that they are actually friends with that boss, Orth just forgot that people might be listening.

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Yeah, and now Cliffy B is also defending Always Online DRM. No current device uses it, yet more are vocally defending it. Disturbing.

CliffyB is probably working on an unannounced game that will be using Always online DRM lol

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Not really, him and manveer always joshed each other on twitter there mates, manveer even said as much. Then there's the term 'always on' which was what was said, and then there's "always online" which is getting folk confused (myself included), and with the latest leaks the always-on seems to be the case?. All in all I think it's more like....

[quote]How did this happen? It’s a classic case of the social media illusion of security. Orth was really just having a conversation with his friend, Bioware’s Manveer Heir, and they both forgot for a moment that they were high-ranking employees at heavily scrutinized companies. Like the random person who complains about their boss on Facebook while forgetting that they are actually friends with that boss, Orth just forgot that people might be listening.[/quote]

[quote=Phaethon360]Yeah, and now Cliffy B is also defending Always Online DRM. No current device uses it, yet more are vocally defending it. Disturbing.[/quote]

CliffyB is probably working on an unannounced game that will be using Always online DRM lol

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KORNdog

Since 6981 Days

Didn't sound much like joshing around when other people got involved, he got even more defensive about the subject. I doubt it was just an innocent comment personally, but we'll see.

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Phaethon360

Since 7422 Days

When I have a conversation with someone I use the @TwitterName. I don't just Tweet something to my 2,000 followers and expect them to read it. He was griping about gamers being critical of his project in a public setting. He just made it worse by having inside jokes with his friend after making those remarks.

Not the first time he's gotten in hot water either. At Sony he publicly blasted Halo 3 and Xbox fans and got in trouble for it, being forced out of Sony as well. Adam Orth was a troll and a tool. That doesn't mean Always Online DRM isn't a problem.

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BLackHawkodst

Since 6463 Days

nah just makes him sound like an ass, but yeah time will tell I guess.

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sanex

Since 5764 Days

It's sad when anyone loses there job, so i won't say he deserves it, the real issue is MS making everyone wait so bloody long for any facts.

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Since 7577 Days

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Posted by Optimusv2

Boy, am I ever going to have a blast doing a cartwheel to reload my gun in BF4 LOL. Man, I'm tired. Heading off to bed. :)

Not much sillier than actual Kinect inputs. Or playing BF4 on a console.

Optimusv2

Since 7469 Days

Posted by KORNdog

It's less about why he got fired, any number of things could have done that. More the question of why he got so defensive in the first place to even respond to, what at the time, where just rumours. I think that's pretty telling.

I really don't think it's telling of anything. He had an opinion he wanted to get out there, and in the process of expressing that opinion, he was embarrassing the company he was working for, and also clearly crossing the line into the realm of insulting potential customers. Even if this is precisely what Microsoft intended on doing, and he was, by extension, defending those plans, no way in hell he gets fired for defending the concept of always online DRM. It's the silly and unprofessional, and even bordering on disrespectful, way he did it that got him fired.

He has a history of doing/saying dumb shit. People on gaf were also saying that he made some weird ass thread on the forum where he was talking about "dolphin porn" or some nonsense like that and they linked to it. Considering the position he is in, he apparently doesn't know that if he's going to be saying anything at all, especially if controversial, that he is best served doing so with caution and care, and by maintaining anonymity. For example, 343 employees commented on the next gen xbox, and did so well before this guy did anything, which GAF also picked up on, but there was no shitstorm on this level over any of it, why? Because the 343 employees expressed their opinions without saying anything remotely controversial, disrespectful, and they certainly didn't embarrass the company the way this guy did. And if gaf likes you, you can say just about anything and get away with it, like when david jaffe insulted a poster, telling him how dry his mother's pussy was last night, and then GAF literally cheered him on. I thought the poster got what he deserved, but selective outrage is an interesting thing.

Grift, I'm more likely to play BF4 on PC, but I'm interested in what it's like on consoles, too.

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[quote=KORNdog]It's less about why he got fired, any number of things could have done that. More the question of why he got so defensive in the first place to even respond to, what at the time, where just rumours. I think that's pretty telling.[/quote]

I really don't think it's telling of anything. He had an opinion he wanted to get out there, and in the process of expressing that opinion, he was embarrassing the company he was working for, and also clearly crossing the line into the realm of insulting potential customers. Even if this is precisely what Microsoft intended on doing, and he was, by extension, defending those plans, no way in hell he gets fired for defending the concept of always online DRM. It's the silly and unprofessional, and even bordering on disrespectful, way he did it that got him fired.

He has a history of doing/saying dumb shit. People on gaf were also saying that he made some weird ass thread on the forum where he was talking about "dolphin porn" or some nonsense like that and they linked to it. Considering the position he is in, he apparently doesn't know that if he's going to be saying anything at all, especially if controversial, that he is best served doing so with caution and care, and by maintaining anonymity. For example, 343 employees commented on the next gen xbox, and did so well before this guy did anything, which GAF also picked up on, but there was no shitstorm on this level over any of it, why? Because the 343 employees expressed their opinions without saying anything remotely controversial, disrespectful, and they certainly didn't embarrass the company the way this guy did. And if gaf likes you, you can say just about anything and get away with it, like when david jaffe insulted a poster, telling him how dry his mother's pussy was last night, and then GAF literally cheered him on. I thought the poster got what he deserved, but selective outrage is an interesting thing.

Grift, I'm more likely to play BF4 on PC, but I'm interested in what it's like on consoles, too.

Halo Reach using 360 tesselation unit extensively.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is coming back to reclaim the throne :)

Seeing it in motion on your HDTV, will blow your mind!!

Don't ask any questions just shut up and buy Halo : Ghosts of the Onyx one of th

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