Korn, you have to know that I'm just not at all surprised to see you take such a hardline against the new Xbox. I saw it an inevitable. And don't take it the wrong way, that's just the lasting impression that you made about your views on all things Microsoft. I will always expect that you will point out their flaws and never give them credit for do anything right.Wait now, hold on a minute. So if Sony who has been KNOWN known to bring CGI, target renders, teasers and loads of unplayable video montages to game conventions, you're going to hold them to the same standard right? And look at that list you're holding them to.

Are you people really that short?

So Microsoft isn't allowed to talk about and market Kinect or any of the functions that they built into their console? Microsoft isn't allowed to have timed DLC or exclusives? Microsoft isn't allowed to show teasers or showcase popular multiplatform titles at their press conferences? Titles that move their hardware off the shelves?

So it's always Microsoft better not talk about Kinect OR ELSE!
Microsoft better not block used games or I'm going back to PC and Steam where they have used........uh....no....wait.
Microsoft better not make me have an internet connection or else I'm going to go to PC/PS4 where my games will never need an internet connection.
Microsoft better not make me watch TV, because if they do I'm never going to watch TV again!

It's clear that many of you have decided to join the the chorus of boos, but the noise is so loud that no one even questions what they're even yelling about. These added functions are not going to be the end of core gaming on Xbox. They are merely conveniences that most gamers will come to appreciate over time. But if you've already made up your mind that TV and Kinect is the end of all things, I doubt very seriously if there is anything Microsoft could show you at E3 in a couple of weeks.

Major Nelson can only say what he is told to say, so i dont really blame him, but i did find some of those comments very interesting.

Did he REALLY just say that...lol. If that's the case i expect to see visuals well beyond even the highest spec'd PC's. E3 should be interesting.

Yeah i did find that amusing :), it reminds me of Sony's "Only possible with the power of the Cell".

uh, you started doubting a long time ago Grift

You know i'm buying an £800 surface pro in a few days right? I have no beef with Microsoft products. I do have a lot of beef with their xbox devision for the last 2or3 years though. Since it's been going in a pretty horrible, anti gamer direction. But if that's what people want in a console, more power to 'em!

I don't think you have to try to like the new xbox. It's a very interesting looking system, with a nice little tease of its lineup so far. Forza at launch is nice and the game looks fantastic, but then Quantum Break is a game that I'm definitely paying even more attention to. And, yea, COD and EA support was obvious. However, what little was shown that is coming directly from Microsoft, has not looked as terrible as some may think. In fact, where games are concerned, it hasn't looked terrible at all. There just wasn't enough of it. But who can be surprised with an event that was being broadcast on TV that was just a single hour?

We have a major new first party IP coming from Microsoft in an apparent genre that Microsoft has been sorely lacking in over the years. They've been shouting from the rooftops since before this event happened that E3 is all about games. They at least deserve a chance to back that up is how a lot of people are looking at it. It's not so much trying hard to like Xbox. It's trying to keep an open mind and not condemn the thing too early based on information not yet finalized by Microsoft's own words. Even those who are totally disappointed by what they saw and are now completely dead set against the system, at least until it proves itself, have to admit that there is a TON of misinformation and confusion all around. And, yes, Microsoft plays the biggest role in that confusion and misinformation. By not nipping this whole thing in the bud during the event, it could be seen as something they brought on themselves, and I can't disagree with that.

Yeah, will do. They've at least added the wacom drivers so we can get pressure sensitivity in photoshop. Looking forward to trying it out. Get away from this uber limited ipad 2.

lol

I agree 110%. Even if I'm among those that thought the console demonstration with Kinect at the event was pretty damn impressive, nobody is in disagreement that, assurances of exclusives and a promise to bring it at E3 aside, that event needed a bigger laser focus on gaming, and to Sony's credit, they did that extremely well at their own initial event.

The best way to explain my personal stance is this...

Imagine neither reveal showed any games, teasers or stage demo's. no quantum break, no forza, no cod, no watchdogs, no killzone, no infamous. It was literally a show about each companies focus, each companies features, each companies priorities.

You end up with one reveal that boiled down to TV and sports with very little to no mention of games

Whereas the other, was still focused exclusively on games. info and features like self publishing, remote play to vita and PS4, recording and sharing footage, streaming via gaikai, watching friends via the cloud, assuming control via cloud, tech demo's related to physics and gaming, specs and a focus on performance. Playing as you download...

It isn't even about who showed how many games, it's about everything else. And MS fucked up. Can they redeem themselves? Maybe. But it's going to take a hell of an effort.

The Verge has a few Kinect hands on vids, and I must say it's mighty impressive tech, go watch :)

You're right. Not disagreeing, but there is always the ability to redeem themselves, especially with them revealing so little before E3. Gamers always give people a chance to impress or win them over at E3. I don't think people ever really recuse themselves entirely from paying attention to what each of the console manufacturers are doing at an event as big as E3. If this happened at E3, I'd be singing the same exact tune as others on how this isn't looking good.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-s...

Eurogamer tech analysis. 4 teraflop GPU for Xbox One. joking

So true. They know they are beat on hardware specs, that is why they didn't properly address them.

It might be close on hardware, but PS4, will for sure have the upper hand this time. Last gen PS4 said they had better hardware, but it was never really proven graphically.
Now they have such similar architecture, I think it will be a clearer cut that Sony is top dog in hardware. That said, multiplatform developers will work towards lowest common denominator,
and might not matter that much in the long run.

But that is one of the truest statements I've seen. Their "silence" spoke volumes on hardware specs.

They haven't been silent, not really. They've been talking about it since the event. They also surely wouldn't allow a site to see the insides of the console if they planned on hiding things from people. That's how people confirmed the DDR3. They showed it to them.

But the key point here is so one console is stronger. It doesn't make the console with less impressive hardware incapable of having great games.

that is the best gif phaeth has ever postedYou realize E3 is a shell of it's former self right? That there will likely be little to nothing more than we've already seen at that event

Sounds like xbox camp thought they had sony beat out in memory department and were as shocked as we were when sony announced gddr5 system memory. It appears the addition of that esram was a response to sonys move. Wonder why they undershot the GPU as much as they did? Just didnt think sony would spend as much?

Btw, posted this like 2 pages ago... keep up Op

ESRAM def wasn't a response to Sony. It was a natural response to their choice of DDR3, which is a decision they made very early on when they decided they wanted 8GB of ram. There are other benefits, too, of course, but that would be too long of a post.Haha, didn't realize.

Dominate what ? Kinect is the best thing about xbox since its launch. PS3 already passed 360 with 1,1.5 yr late release and horrible 2 yrs at start. PS3 has lots of games like GT6, GOWA even now. 360 has only multiplats. I do not know any actual gamers that respect Microsoft. xbox guys are so gullible. The best thing about XO is kinect. As someone said it for family. So moms or some 30+ guy buys it as a media box that can play games. They might do well sales wise with advertising games on XO and Kinect. That does not mean shit. Anyone who has been watching E3 or some knowledege about gaming industry knows what they are doing.