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Posté par GrimThorne

The big difference this time is that they don't have the 2013 Holiday launch window to themselves like they did 2005. RRODv2 will not be forgiven.

I'm not so sure... people didn't seem to care with the 360, they just kept buyin them

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KORNdog

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I'm not so sure... people didn't seem to care with the 360, they just kept buyin them

As I said when this was mentioned before, people didn't know about the problems until upwards of a year after they'd bought it. You have a solid collection of games on a console and you typically rebuy it of it goes tits up (that's why I re bought it 3 times). If people know it's having problems prior to launch, I'm not sure if that would happen. Assuming it's even true...

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GriftGFX

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"Wait for Gamescom!" ;)

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KORNdog

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They've just cancelled their post E3 round table with media too...could be seen as a bad sign, maybe they'll have something to replace it? Maybe they just want to avoid the cluster fuck that happened at their last round table.

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GriftGFX

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Was it oval? Oh the humanity.

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alimokrane

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Seriously, does anyone actually care about the Post E3 roudntable?? I know I dont. I know MS is fucking up big time so far but let's not get ahead of ourselves here and start slacking off everything they do left and right like its the end of the world.

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Seriously, does anyone actually care about the Post E3 roudntable?? I know I dont. I know MS is fucking up big time so far but let's not get ahead of ourselves here and start slacking off everything they do left and right like its the end of the world.

The round table is where they're SUPOSED to clarify and fill in holes that the conference left gaping. (after all, you're not going to discuss no used games and always online on stage)They all have them. To cancel one is basically trying to avoid the issues. They're running away from the situation they where in at their reveal. Where media where asking important questions, but they where all answering differently/horribly. It might mean nothing, might be telling...who knows

MS need to clarify a LOT though. So either they're going to address the issues head on, on stage. Or they're just not going to address them at all. They've recently said how there where a lot of benefits to DRM, but then never gave a single example and said they'll comment on it further in the future. Maybe that's their tactic. Keep saying we'll talk about it later, and before you know it, the console is on shelves

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[quote=alimokrane]Seriously, does anyone actually care about the Post E3 roudntable?? I know I dont. I know MS is fucking up big time so far but let's not get ahead of ourselves here and start slacking off everything they do left and right like its the end of the world.[/quote]

The round table is where they're SUPOSED to clarify and fill in holes that the conference left gaping. (after all, you're not going to discuss no used games and always online on stage)They all have them. To cancel one is basically trying to avoid the issues. They're running away from the situation they where in at their reveal. Where media where asking important questions, but they where all answering differently/horribly. It might mean nothing, might be telling...who knows

MS need to clarify a LOT though. So either they're going to address the issues head on, on stage. Or they're just not going to address them at all. They've recently said how there where a lot of benefits to DRM, but then never gave a single example and said they'll comment on it further in the future. Maybe that's their tactic. Keep saying we'll talk about it later, and before you know it, the console is on shelves

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Posté par KORNdog

The round table is where they're SUPOSED to clarify and fill in holes that the conference left gaping. (after all, you're not going to discuss no used games and always online on stage)They all have them. To cancel one is basically trying to avoid the issues. They're running away from the situation they where in at their reveal. Where media where asking important questions, but they where all answering differently/horribly. It might mean nothing, might be telling...who knows

MS need to clarify a LOT though. So either they're going to address the issues head on, on stage. Or they're just not going to address them at all. They've recently said how there where a lot of benefits to DRM, but then never gave a single example and said they'll comment on it further in the future. Maybe that's their tactic. Keep saying we'll talk about it later, and before you know it, the console is on shelves

The answers will come from interviews after. Given what happened, I think they might address those questions during the conference.

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[quote=KORNdog]

The round table is where they're SUPOSED to clarify and fill in holes that the conference left gaping. (after all, you're not going to discuss no used games and always online on stage)They all have them. To cancel one is basically trying to avoid the issues. They're running away from the situation they where in at their reveal. Where media where asking important questions, but they where all answering differently/horribly. It might mean nothing, might be telling...who knows

MS need to clarify a LOT though. So either they're going to address the issues head on, on stage. Or they're just not going to address them at all. They've recently said how there where a lot of benefits to DRM, but then never gave a single example and said they'll comment on it further in the future. Maybe that's their tactic. Keep saying we'll talk about it later, and before you know it, the console is on shelves[/quote]

The answers will come from interviews after. Given what happened, I think they might address those questions during the conference.

gym4life

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There will be plenty of MS interviews with all the media all through E3, so no need to worry over a post e3 conf being cancelled.

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alimokrane

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Posté par alimokrane

The answers will come from interviews after. Given what happened, I think they might address those questions during the conference.

I am just trying to stay OPTIMUStic here ;) hoping MS can redeem themeselves...

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GrimThorne

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I am just trying to stay OPTIMUStic here ;) hoping MS can redeem themeselves...

Oh leave him alone. He didn't build the fucking thing. lol!

I still can't believe people are quoting and sourcing Gaf now. When the FUCK did that happen?!? I've seen that thread, nothing they say sounds like they're even fully convinced of it. And they're even back tracking a bit to cover themselves.

*sigh* Let's all just take a deep breath shall we? ;)

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Jollipop

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Posté par GrimThorne

I don't get it Microsoft. There's nothing in your console that could possibly be causing these kinds of problems. You have cheap off the shelf gear, why is it overheating?! Gezz what a nightmare :P

Its not cheap off the shelf lol, its a customised APU with on chip memory, according to GAF the memory is the cause of the overheating.

The amount of transistors on that chip must be pretty high I would imagine.

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Oh leave him alone. He didn't build the fucking thing. lol!

I still can't believe people are quoting and sourcing Gaf now. When the FUCK did that happen?!? I've seen that thread, nothing they say sounds like they're even fully convinced of it. And they're even back tracking a bit to cover themselves.

*sigh* Let's all just take a deep breath shall we? ;)

GAF has been one of the best places to get rumours, mainly because their user based includes a lot of developers and insiders, as with any rumour though it should be taken with a pinch of salt, its still interesting though.

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[quote=GrimThorne]I don't get it Microsoft.  There's nothing in your console that could possibly be causing these kinds of problems. You have cheap off the shelf gear, why is it overheating?!  Gezz what a nightmare  :P[/quote]

Its not cheap off the shelf lol, its a customised APU with on chip memory, according to GAF the memory is the cause of the overheating.

The amount of transistors on that chip must be pretty high I would imagine.

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Oh leave him alone. He didn't build the fucking thing.  lol!

I still can't believe people are quoting and sourcing Gaf now.  When the FUCK did that happen?!?  I've seen that thread, nothing they say sounds like they're even fully convinced of it.  And they're even back tracking a bit to cover themselves.

*sigh* Let's all just take a deep breath shall we?  ;)[/quote]
GAF has been one of the best places to get rumours, mainly because their user based includes a lot of developers and insiders, as with any rumour though it should be taken with a pinch of salt, its still interesting though.

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alimokrane

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Posté par GrimThorne

Oh leave him alone. He didn't build the fucking thing. lol!

I still can't believe people are quoting and sourcing Gaf now. When the FUCK did that happen?!? I've seen that thread, nothing they say sounds like they're even fully convinced of it. And they're even back tracking a bit to cover themselves.

*sigh* Let's all just take a deep breath shall we? ;)

I was defending him a couple of pages back ;)

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BLackHawkodst

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Cool Forza 5 video, glad to hear its running at 1080/60fps

http://uk.gamespot.com/forza-motorsport-5/videos/f...

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GrimThorne

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Posté par BLackHawkodst

Cool Forza 5 video, glad to hear its running at 1080/60fps

That's good stuff. Microsoft is going to need alot more of it.

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GrimThorne

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BTW, Forza 5 is confirmed as the only next gen game running native at 1080p/60fps............so far. Seriously there could be MAJOR butthurt coming Monday if Microsoft's games are running better and smoother than a 30%-50% more powerful PS4.

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Posté par GriftGFX

"Wait for Gamescom!" ;)

Wait for 2014!

errr....

Wait for 2015!

errr....

Wait for the Kinect 3 + HMD in 2018!

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BTW, Forza 5 is confirmed as the only next gen game running native at 1080p/60fps............so far. Seriously there could be MAJOR butthurt coming Monday if Microsoft's games are running better and smoother than a 30%-50% more powerful PS4.

The feedback from developers indicates Sony's PS4 is a lot faster and easier to dev for. Even if MS has a jump on development out of the gate (? may explain how weak MS's offerings have been the last 2x years) technically Sony has a leg up. Heck, 2 legs up.

And before anyone says, "When was the last time a significantly faster console won a generation/had better games?" I would counter, "When was the last time a console technically better have the same BOM?" MS really screwed the pouch on launch window BOM--and personally I don't care if it allows them to reduce cost down the road. Why do I as a consumer having to choose a $450 Xbox or $450 PS care if MS pockets more cash in 2018?

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[quote=GriftGFX]"Wait for Gamescom!" ;)[/quote]

Wait for 2014!

errr....

Wait for 2015!

errr....

Wait for the Kinect 3 + HMD in 2018!

[quote=GrimThorne]BTW, Forza 5 is confirmed as the only next gen game running native at 1080p/60fps............so far.   Seriously there could be MAJOR butthurt coming Monday if Microsoft's games are running better and smoother than a 30%-50% more powerful PS4.[/quote]

The feedback from developers indicates Sony's PS4 is a lot faster and easier to dev for. Even if MS has a jump on development out of the gate (? may explain how weak MS's offerings have been the last 2x years) technically Sony has a leg up. Heck, 2 legs up.

And before anyone says, "When was the last time a significantly faster console won a generation/had better games?" I would counter, "When was the last time a console technically better have the same BOM?" MS really screwed the pouch on launch window BOM--and personally I don't care if it allows them to reduce cost down the road. Why do I as a consumer having to choose a $450 Xbox or $450 PS care if MS pockets more cash in 2018?

Pwn'd by Phaethon360.

scoobs0688

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Killzone devs choose to cap at 30fps to make it look prettier.. im okay with this

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GrimThorne

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Posté par Acert93

The feedback from developers indicates Sony's PS4 is a lot faster and easier to dev for. Even if MS has a jump on development out of the gate (? may explain how weak MS's offerings have been the last 2x years) technically Sony has a leg up. Heck, 2 legs up.

Good for them, especially since faster and easier always translates in higher quality game development. Right???

It's fine and good to tell me how easy it is for developers and then they give us the same thing they've always been giving us. I've been hearing how much more powerful the PS4 is for nearly 4 months now, I've also been hearing developers rave about it for 4 months. But now they show me a flagship title locked at 30fps? Kinda leaves a person a little cold. I think you misunderstood my post completely, it wasn't about comparisons as much as I was saying "Look at this! There will be butthurt on Monday"

As I said in the post before, 1080p/60fps is good stuff and Microsoft is going need alot more of that. ALOT MORE.

Sony really hasn't had to do or say much since Feb 21st. What they have done (and I give them credit) is quietly stand behind Microsoft while everyone throws rocks and eggs at them while pretending that their policies are the complete opposite of their competitor's. Whether or not that's true is soon to be revealed.

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The feedback from developers indicates Sony's PS4 is a lot faster and easier to dev for. Even if MS has a jump on development out of the gate (? may explain how weak MS's offerings have been the last 2x years) technically Sony has a leg up. Heck, 2 legs up.[/quote]

Good for them, especially since faster and easier always translates in higher quality game development.  Right???

It's fine and good to tell me how easy it is for developers and then they give us the same thing they've always been giving us. I've been hearing how much more powerful the PS4 is for nearly 4 months now, I've also been hearing developers rave about it for 4 months.  But now they show me a flagship title locked at 30fps?   Kinda leaves a person a little cold.     I think you misunderstood my post completely, it wasn't about comparisons as much as I was saying "Look at this!  There will be butthurt on Monday"

As I said in the post before, 1080p/60fps is good stuff and Microsoft is going need alot more of that. ALOT MORE.

Sony really hasn't had to do or say much since Feb 21st.  What they have done (and I give them credit) is quietly stand behind Microsoft while everyone throws rocks and eggs at them while pretending that their  policies are the complete opposite of their competitor's. Whether or not that's true is soon to be revealed.

scoobs0688

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They said in interview that they chose 30 fps to put more detail in. This might bother you... but it does not bother me lol

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Phaethon360

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What they haven't done is taken every opportunity to open their mouth and make early announcements. Microsoft has felt it's had to say something, but being silent is a lot better than saying the completely wrong thing.

I think 1080p/60fps is a lot to ask out of this hardware AND get a huge graphics boost. And gamers definitely aren't going to notice it when games that use it look less impressive than 30fps games.

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Jollipop

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Posté par GrimThorne

BTW, Forza 5 is confirmed as the only next gen game running native at 1080p/60fps............so far. Seriously there could be MAJOR butthurt coming Monday if Microsoft's games are running better and smoother than a 30%-50% more powerful PS4.

Well think about it a second.

Running a game at 1080/60 means you have half the resources of a game running at 1080/30, its a matter of whether you think 60 fps is that important.

Personally I think 60 fps is important for a racer, but I can't see why Drive Club would have targeted 30 fps. (unless they are going for a more arcade experience)

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BLackHawkodst

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Gaf think anything sub 1080/60fps is an unforgivable next-gen, well until it's a game they love then everything sub-1080 is ok again lol.

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BTW, Forza 5 is confirmed as the only next gen game running native at 1080p/60fps............so far. Seriously there could be MAJOR butthurt coming Monday if Microsoft's games are running better and smoother than a 30%-50% more powerful PS4.

Software dev tools will play a big part, and MS dev tools have always been very good.

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sanex

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Posté par BLackHawkodst

Cool Forza 5 video, glad to hear its running at 1080/60fps

http://uk.gamespot.com/forza-motorsport-5/videos/f...

Cool video, looking forward to hearing more.

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Posté par BLackHawkodst

Gaf think anything sub 1080/60fps is an unforgivable next-gen, well until it's a game they love then everything sub-1080 is ok again lol.

Software dev tools will play a big part, and MS dev tools have always been very good.

Except devs are saying PS4 has the better development tools so far, I am sure that will change at some point but seems MS are rushing this launch a bit.

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