GriftGFX - He can also<br>ban your ass!
GriftGFX
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Pfft mod support, full install base of X1 dev kits. We're going to get flooded with so much garbage because Microsoft wants to play nice with the whiners. :P
You're just down playing this because it's probably not true, right? I can't even fathom that this is a real opinion.
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Pfft mod support, full install base of X1 dev kits. We're going to get flooded with so much garbage because Microsoft wants to play nice with the whiners. :P
Yeah, nothing good has ever come out of mods... *facepalm*
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
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Guys I think Grim was being sarcastic.

Or am I missing the thing?
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Guys I think Grim was being sarcastic.

Or am I missing the thing?
Havent he said weird shit before? Or maybe he was sarcastic then as well...
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Indies self publishing is obviously good. I do not think everyone will spam the store with their version of tetris. It also need to be approved by Microsoft and other terms, condition so that is mostly irrelevant like the unlimited space in cloud. Mods in terms of graphics like HDR or high texture mod is not possible on consoles. In E3 there was some demo of creating tracks or drawing stuff something like that I remember. Giving tools to create something like an editor. Some games can do it I guess.
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Havent he said weird shit before? Or maybe he was sarcastic then as well...
He has definitely. But I thought the Pfft and :P were a give away. I don't think even he could see mods and more games as a bad thing. Right? I don't think he's said one negative thing about the Xbox since Adam Orth, and this would be a weird place to start.
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Yeah, nothing good has ever come out of mods... *facepalm*
Mods will be up to the publishers, so I don't think anyone should get excited about that just yet. For those that allow mods, we'll get some good things.......SOME.

But when it comes to self publishing the vast majority of it will be garbage, fuckin GARBAGE. Now excuse me if I offend, I know everyone is happily riding every independent dev's **** these days, but it doesn't hurt to remind gamers that you still have to sift through miles of trash just to find one good gem. Good indie games are the exception, not the rule. Ever take a look at the shit on Android? Now multiply that times whatever Microsoft's install base is going to be. And I used to be a person who was pretty excited about indie games, now I just feel that we need a smart review system that will appropriately apply the kinds of criticism that the majority of these developers (if you want to call them that) actually deserve.

Maybe there also needs to be a distinction between them, hobbyist, genuine or professional. Something that helps us separate the wheat from the chaff. We can't look to the community to critique them, we won't get honest reviews. Too many people are attracted by art and nostalgic bits to be able to render an unbiased opinion. Others are just too much in awe of independents right now to be trusted. And look at the kinds of egotistic monsters this has produced. Guys like Johnathan Blow and Phil Fish are out of their fucking depth when dealing with the press, and their lack of professionalism is most apparent when they try to communicate any kind of message. Did anyone catch J Blow's latest act? "Internet fanboy's heads are going to explode?" THIS is how he's going to get gamers excited about Witness? By trolling them? Attacking other developer's games?

So forgive me if I don't share everyone excitement at the idea of having millions of new indie developers. I know what's coming.
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No one is forcing you to PLAY ALL OF THOSE MODS. Literally nothing bad has ever happened because of more support for user created content. Literally. Nothing. Ever.

You're obviously not a PC gamer. You don't have to wade through all of the crap to get to the good content. You just ignore it. Oh the humanity.

For what it is actually worth? Basically priceless. I mean really. You should have just agreed that it was sarcasm!
Good indie games are the exception, not the rule.
I know. It's really a shame that I had to play every bad indie game ever before I got to play Rogue Galaxy. Or Terraria. Or any one of the very many wonderful indie games that could have never happened if everyone had this awful attitude. The exceptions are well worth the content you get to happily ignore. I mean come on dude.. this doesn't make a single lick of sense.

And weren't we talking about mods? What the hell is going on here?
Guys like Johnathan Blow and Phil Fish are out of their fucking depth when dealing with the press, and their lack of professionalism is most apparent when they try to communicate any kind of message. Did anyone catch J Blow's latest act? "Internet fanboy's heads are going to explode?" THIS is how he's going to get gamers excited about Witness? By trolling them? Attacking other developer's games?
These are totally compelling reasons not to support mods. What are you even talking about?
I know what's coming.
No you don't.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
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Posté par GriftGFX
No one is forcing you to PLAY ALL OF THOSE MODS. Literally nothing bad has ever happened because of more support for user created content. Literally. Nothing. Ever.

You're obviously not a PC gamer. [You don't have to wade through all of the crap to get to the good content. You just ignore it. Oh the humanity.

For what it is actually worth? Basically priceless. I mean really. You should have just agreed that it was sarcasm!
Good indie games are the exception, not the rule.
I know. It's really a shame that I had to play every bad indie game ever before I got to play Rogue Galaxy. Or Terraria. Or any one of the very many wonderful indie games that could have never happened if everyone had this awful attitude. The exceptions are well worth the content you get to happily ignore. I mean come on dude.. this doesn't make a single lick of sense.

And weren't we talking about mods? What the hell is going on here?
Guys like Johnathan Blow and Phil Fish are out of their fucking depth when dealing with the press, and their lack of professionalism is most apparent when they try to communicate any kind of message. Did anyone catch J Blow's latest act? "Internet fanboy's heads are going to explode?" THIS is how he's going to get gamers excited about Witness? By trolling them? Attacking other developer's games?
These are totally compelling reasons not to support mods. What are you even talking about?
I know what's coming.
No you don't.
I posted one sentence about mods. ONE. Just ONE. You know, that one little line that was at the top of my post?

Everything below that was directed at self-publishing and indie devs. How you managed to turn that into Blow and Fish producing mods is a complete mystery to me.
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The initial statement that everyone responded to, that you responded in defense of, was about mods. You've sorta grouped them into the same issue: quality control. A non-issue.

And, as well, most of my reply is about indies.

Every single thing I said still applies. The greatness rises to the top. And you can ignore the rest. And you want to talk about whiners...

Hilariously, the two developers that you cite as a problem created by this environment were both on XBLA prior to any self publishing initiative. So I guess you're just railing against indie games in general?
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GrimThorne
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Posté par GriftGFX
Hilariously, the two developers that you cite as a problem created by this environment were both on XBLA prior to any self publishing initiative. So I guess you're just railing against indie games in general?
No, no, no. lol If Blow found greener pastures at Sony then he made the best business decision for himself, I have no problems with that. But he could show a little more professionalism, there's no reason to troll gamers with the kinds of statements that he makes.

And since you mentioned it, I think devs at ModDB have exhibited more professionalism than Blow or Fish. Just sayin.
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Guys I think Grim was being sarcastic.

Or am I missing the thing?
No he wasn't!
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Phaethon360 - Mr Pant<s>s</s>ies
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No he wasn't!
Yeah it's a shame.
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GrimThorne
GrimThorne
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Yeah it's a shame.
I don't see what any of you are so upset about. I didn't kill any puppies.............unless some of you are actually considering self-publishing games of your own? If that's the case, then more power to you. And here's hoping that we'll get more than just clones and piles of hot garbage to sift through this time. I'm actually more hopeful about apps than I am for games Phaethon. THAT is the real shame if you're looking for one.

Grift said something interesting yesterday about greatness rising, but any great game can get lost in the trash heap. Seriously, indie devs need to guild themselves and group up. Hold themselves to some kind of rating or standard. Submit their games to larger test groups and review, be willing to accept some criticism. BE PROFESSIONAL. Stop the tantrums, learn to communicate without insulting entire nations at a time! Recognize that when you tweet whatever thought that comes to mind you have to be prepared for what happens when someone actually disagrees with you. If you weren't prepared to defend your statements then you shouldn't be making them in a public forum.

And above all........please consider the gamers that are going to play their titles. I don't think I'm being unfair in my judgments or my concerns about millions of new X1 devs being unleashed on XBLIG.
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But you want to kill the puppies.
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But you want to kill the puppies.
Oh yes, and all the bunnies too. lol
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Frozpot
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Here's some new footage of RYSE for those that care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MvsV1kgPog
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

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asdfg
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Here's some new footage of RYSE for those that care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MvsV1kgPog
Are they making a game or a movie?
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Frozpot
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Watch the blood of the second guy he kills. OOOH.

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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Frozpot
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Are they making a game or a movie?
However your interest level, you gotta admit- that's some nice tech...
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Oooh, Profound, isn't it?

Sath - Missed the<br>hay
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Posté par asdfg
Are they making a game or a movie?
Interactive movie, so both :P
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However your interest level, you gotta admit- that's some nice tech...
Yeah I guess, but so was Crysis 3. Gamescom needs to come so Cry can show some real gameplay of this. And some other x1 games must be shown so its not only Ryse and Killer Instinct fapping in this thread.
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Interactive movie, so both :P
Now thats sound revolutionary and truly next gen!
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Sath - Missed the<br>hay
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Posté par asdfg
Now thats sound revolutionary and truly next gen!
Kramer: you better believe it.
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Posté par GrimThorne
And above all........please consider the gamers that are going to play their titles. I don't think I'm being unfair in my judgments or my concerns about millions of new X1 devs being unleashed on XBLIG.
And nobody even noticed the Indie Games, unless they were really appealing games like that Halo/Minecraft mash-up. I don't see how the idea of choices and options is threatening to the avoidance of those options. In this case nobody is forcing you or anyone else to play these games (which I know can be tough because MS of late has been forcing everything).

Does anyone really think Gears of War 5 is going to have to fight for real estate against "Happy Timmy's Dog War Guns 8"?

What we have now is a system that keeps indie devs from the mass exodus to the PS4 that Microsoft was witnessing. They probably got tired of having to shell out bonuses to keep them around like the Below devs.

And this isn't coincidental that it was announced after Mattrick got ousted. Keep the good news coming MS.
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Here's some new footage of RYSE for those that care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MvsV1kgPog
Looks stunning as always! :)
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