To say this misses my larger point. If I had a choice between having them there and not, I would choose not, but I'm not going to deprive myself of games I want to play because of them. I have no grand cause that I want to fight for on this matter. I just want games, and there are games that will be exclusive to the Xbox One that I won't be able to get anywhere else.

If the PS4 were guaranteed to have every game in the Xbox One's lineup at a cheaper price, then the decision would be clear, but it doesn't. I understand and respect where you're coming from, but I'm not willing to miss games because of a few unfavorable policies. I know lots of people are willing to do that, but then there's also lots of people who aren't willing to do that. It's currently the #1 selling videogame item on Amazon, and is breaking pre-order records that were set by the Xbox 360 in multiple places.

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgb...

All this on its own doesn't really mean much, as sales will fluctuate and we won't really have a good idea of what's what till about a year and 3 months into the sales of both these systems. I'm also sure there's probably many buyers that are completely ignorant of what the policies are on these systems, but whatever each individual buyer's reasoning, I can't very well fault people for just wanting to play games or for making choices that are complete their own. There's people that bought PS3's at $600 (raises hand, because I was one of them). There's also people who invested in an original xbox, when I thought the ps2 at the time was the far better value and that it absolutely slaughtered the original xbox in the game's department, but each person's choice is their own.

And it honestly isn't easy lol. I wish it were. It's not easy for me to willingly choose to miss the next Halo game. It isn't easy for me to ignore Remedy's next game. This isn't just an issue with Xbox. I simply do not have the willpower to not buy games or consoles that catch my interest or excite me. I'm one of those people that will buy an entire console for one game, and have. I bought my Wii for a single game. I bought a DS Lite for a single game. It's a tough habit to break cold turkey. If you could be diagnosed a drug addict for loving games too much, I'd be in prison.

Nothing in the PS4's launch interests me that much, and yet I have a ps4 pre-ordered based on promise alone. I bought the PS3 at launch at $599.99 based on the promise of FF versus 13 and an FF7 remake... Yea, I know lol.

Amazon did a facebook survey and PS4 is killing Xbox One. about 25 to 1.
https://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideoGames/app_1538...

Currently: 25559 PS4 to 1439 Xbox One

MS has about 5% of the vote.

I saw a comment that I agree with and I will add my own:
PS4Life
1. Cheaper
2. Much more powerful.
3. No draconian anti-consumer DRM scheme.
4. No 24-hour mandatory check-in.
5. No mandatory smart camera snooping on you.
6. Bigger and better game library.
7. Better online value with PS+.
8. No region lock.
9. Upgrade-able HDD
10. Smaller and better looking console design.
11. No arrogant company PR.

My Notes:
1. Cheaper (Eyetoy is a $60 addon)
2. A bit more powerfully spec'd. On paper 50% more powerful
6. Bigger and better game library. Totally a BS statement, remains to be sen,
but Sony is doing a big indie developer push and MS could care less it seems.
7. Better online value with PS+. I kinda agree. Better sale prices and more freebies.
9. Upgrade-able HDD Moot to a point. Both allow external USB storage drives.
10. Smaller and better looking console design. I prefer Xbox One's Design.
11. No arrogant company PR. This is what hurt Sony in this current gen, they seem to have learned.


Here are my own:
12. PS4 packs headset. MS Xbox one... all new tech, you'll need to purchase a new headset for Xbox One.
13. Rumor is Sony legacy steering wheels will work with PS4.
Rumor for Xbox One... all new tech, requires new purchase (rumor only)
14. Falls under DRM... No renting games on Xbox One, but you can rent PS4 games.


Before E3 I was think about me purchasing PS4 vs. Xbox one - 80% sure I'd get Xbox One at launch.
During E3, after MS conference 60% sure I'd get Xbox One.
After Sony Conference 50% sure I'd get Xbox One.
Had some more time to think about it... 40% sure I'd get an Xbox one at launch.
I am almost certain, I'll own both consoles 100% sure of that... but I think I'll wait for a price drop on hardware, or
for MS to make some big changes between now and launch.

Well, being honest, surveys only take you so far, and are wildly inaccurate. They only tell you so much about the people willing to participate in that survey, not what most consumers are actually deciding to buy and in what kinds of numbers. Xbox One is barely edging out the PS4 in UK pre-orders by 2%, is outstripping Xbox 360 pre-orders by 20%, and is actually in the #1 spot for videogame sales at the moment on Amazon's official site.

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgb...

If that 25 to 1 edge had any basis in reality, there's no way the Xbox One could be leading the PS4 right now on Amazon's best seller for videogames list. Although, in fairness, the PS4 had the lead for a moment there, too. But for the Xbox one to be out front like that at all, it's obviously not doing 25 to 1 levels of bad.

Yea, I know, as were the Xbox One's day one units similarly sold out at one point until they were replenished. They were listed as unavailable at some point later into the first day of pre-orders, or into the second day, because my friend was trying to grab one, but couldn't, so he had to settle for the standard edition of the Xbox One. It's clear, however, that the one is clearly moving units, as imperfect as using Amazon as a judge for anything might be. The PS3, if I remember, was stomping the 360 on Amazon in its early days, but that didn't necessarily translate to the overall sales.

Too many factors to consider, so we'd be wasting our time trying to parse the results :)

And just like that, ps4 swings back into 1st! It's a horse race :P

that is just the U.S. And the ps4 is in 1st as far as i can see. Worldwide, the ps4 will dominate the xb1 during the launch window. The U.S and U.K. markets will be a good race i imagine

Don't mind who dominates so long as we get fantastic games on both sides throughout the life of each.

I'm already looking at official sales numbers, and they are tied at the moment in the USA. (1 Xbox One pre-ordered, 1 PS4 pre-ordered) :P

i wonder what the pre-order numbers are like in poland? lol

I don't believe it's actually launching in Poland.

•Australia
•Austria
•Belgium
•Brazil
•Canada
•Denmark
•Finland
•France
•Germany
•Ireland
•Italy
•Mexico
•Netherlands
•New Zealand
•Norway
•Russia
•Spain
•Sweden
•Switzerland
•United Kingdom
•United States

This is an article about the family sharing:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-on...

I dont know if I get it...

Sounds like they're trying to soften the blow of Used Games and loaning your copy to others. OH here's family share!

http://kotaku.com/video-game-companies-arent-letti...

Great new Quantum Break info in this article.http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/13/4427698/quantum-b...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6353509...

Sounds great, but need to see it in action.

Notice in the image on that article, it's noted "Xbox Live Gold Sharing" .... that sounds great indeed, pay for gold to actually share your game wih your family.................

I like this comment from that GAF link



The first comment about the Prisoner's Dilemma is spot on. Here's how I like to think it went down:

Kaz Hirai and Steve Ballmer sit in a room. Dark. Smoky. The men look each other in the eye. "It's agreed. We'll kill pre-owned. Both platforms. DRM to the max," grates Ballmer.
Hirai reaches for his glass. He swirls the liquid. Savours the peaty aroma of an Islay malt. Crosses his fingers. Takes a sip.

"Yes," he says.

In the Sony boardroom, Andrew House confronts Hirai. "I can't believe you're letting Microsoft get a march on us. You're *letting* them have their press conference first. We should be first. We need to get our message out to consumers."
Hirai reaches for his cup. He feels the warmth of the sake against his fingers. Takes a sip.

"Wait," he says.

Hirai sits in a hotel room in Los Angeles. On a 50" screen, he watches Don Mattrick on stage, presenting the restrictions for Xbox One. He reaches for a pot of tea. He pours the aromatic water into a china cup. Takes a sip.

"Gotcha," he says.

[ALLEGEDLY]

I laughed.

Keep fighting the fight OP.

The U.S. and UK markets love them some xbox, I think you'll be surprised how well it will sell despite the bad press. Their audience is young enough to not even care about all this stuff

Up to 10 "family" members can share your library (don't have to be blood related). One other family member can play at the same time as you.

I think that's an amazing feature ...